Unsurprisingly one of the folks over at Answers in Genesis, aka cowards who want to attack other theists and non-theists, have quite a strawman argument over at their website, trying to convince people to agree with them. Of course, they are cowards since they don’t allow comments on their lies.
But we can provide them some here! This is from Bodie Hodge, an mechanical engineer, who thinks he is ever so special. Why do creationists get engineers and scientists who have no grounding in evolutionary theory? I would hazard a guess that it is because they are susceptible to the argument from authority, and think that anyone with a degree, and who agrees with their myths, should be believed. Sorry, dears, it doesn’t work like that. I wouldn’t take my child to a diesel mechanic and I would take my car to a pediatrician, no matter how much I liked them.
This will be an exercise in how some Christians lie, desperate in their need for external validation.
“Are you tired of all the evil associated with the philosophy of atheism — Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, and so on?1 After all, most murderers, tyrants, and rapists are not biblical Christians, and most have rejected the God of the Bible. Even if they claim to believe in the God of the Bible, they are not really living like a true Christ follower (who strives to follow God’s Word), are they?
Do you feel conflicted about the fact that atheism has no basis in morality (i.e., no absolute right and wrong; no good, no bad)? If someone stabs you in the back, treats you like nothing, steals from you, or lies to you, it doesn’t ultimately matter in an atheistic worldview, where everything and everyone are just chemical reactions doing what chemicals do. And further, knowing that you are essentially no different from a cockroach in an atheistic worldview (since people are just animals) must be disheartening.”
Unsurprisingly, we have Bodie starting off with a lie. There is no “philosophy of atheism”. There is also no morality of atheism. Atheism is a conclusion that there are no god or gods (theists are atheists when it comes to gods other than their own). It has no worldview attached to it. Atheists have all sorts of different worldviews. I’m mostly an Epicurean in worldview. Some are far-right idiots, some are far left liberals, some are Randians, etc. And some atheists are megalomaniacs who happen to get into power. Now, since I’m an atheist, and not a megalomaniac, and have no desire to commit genocide, that is not part of atheism. It’s part of megalomania. Bodie tries to claim that all atheists are evil in the moral sense. He has no evidence and thus is ignoring his own religion when it says do not bear false witness, e.g. don’t lie.
We also have Bodie claiming that murders, etc aren’t “Biblical Christians”. Now, you may ask, what exactly is a “biblical Christian”. That is a term used by Christians who want to pretend that only their version is the right version of Christianity. This also allows them to create the circular argument that only biblical Christians don’t do certain things because they are biblical because they don’t do certain things. However, Bodie forgets that his god kills humans, kills children for something they didn’t do, demands genocide and commits it, etc. These must objectively good things if this god does them and if objective good morality comes from this god as many, if not most, Christians claim. If they are not good if a human does such things, then our Christians have a morality based subjectively on who does an action, not the action itself. Since many Christians do claim that that their god has some right to do with humans what it wants, they end up with a morality that is no more might equals right.
So, no, Bodie, we are not tired at all. You have nothing more than lies and strawmen.
“Are you tired of the fact that atheism (which is based in materialism,2 a popular worldview today) has no basis for logic and reasoning? Is it tough trying to get up every day thinking that truth, which is immaterial, really doesn’t exist? Are you bothered by the fact that atheism cannot account for uniformity in nature3 (the basis by which we can do real science)? Why would everything explode from nothing and, by pure chance, form beautiful laws like E=MC2 or F=MA?4”
Atheism is not based on materialism, though they can be often accepted together. Atheism is based on logic and reasoning. If there is no evidence for a claim, there is no logic or reasoning to believe that claim. Bodie disbelieves in other gods very likely because of no evidence. So, is his disbelief illogical and unreasonable? I suspect he would deny that. One often finds arguments like this offered by theists because they have difficulty in considering their claims from an outsider’s point of view. John Loftus has some great books on this idea.
There is plenty of material truth. Theists often get into this problem that they need to claim that their god is “immaterial”, and thus they must claim that “truth” must also immaterial since they have no evidence for their god. By doing so, they end up in solipsism, which is always amusing.
Again, since Bodie has no idea what atheism actually is, he also tries to claim that atheism doesn’t explain the uniformity of nature. Atheism wouldn’t do that; but the sciences can. Physics is fine with the universe being uniform, and the Big Bang Theory provides an idea why it is that way. We have no idea if the BBT was by chance or not. Creationists also terribly ignorant about the most basic science; the BB is not an “explosion” (even a mechanical engineer should known that but willful ignorance and lies do make a man silly). Physics can be as apparently eternal and universal as any god is invented to be. There is no “random chance” as creationists claim in the universe. We don’t have a cat in the hat bouncing around altering reality. And formulas aren’t “beautiful”. They just are. Poor Bodie, he tries to evoke emotion on math and physics to imply some magical god is needed.
So, no, Bodie, not tired of anything you mention since all you claim is false.
“Do you feel like you need a weekend to recoup, even though a weekend is really meaningless in an atheistic worldview — since animals, like bees, don’t take a day of rest or have a weekend? So why should atheists? Why borrow a workweek and weekend that comes from the pages of Scriptures, which are despised by atheists? Weeks and weekends come from God creating in six literal days and resting for a literal day; and then the Lord Jesus resurrected on the first day of the week (Sunday). And why look forward to time off for a holiday (i.e., holy day), when nothing is holy in an atheistic worldview?”
Ah, the appeal to emotion from a cult member. This is nothing new at all. “Come with us, you’ll feel better”. Alas for Bodie, I have had a great weekend. I got to use a chainsaw for the first time since a branch was ripped of our tree by the windstorm. I also had a great steak and was working on my art for a show I was accepted to.
It’s always hilarious when a Christian tries so hard to claim responsibility for things they had nothing to do with. Weeks and weekends do not come from their god, which ever version they believe in. Those came from unions (watch the conservative Christians clutch their pearls). Other religions have days they claim are holy, but no one outside of that religion cares about them. Christians can’t even agree on what their holy day should be, so it’s very silly of Bodie to claim that his god is responsible.
And with his hilarious claim, then I guess we should be thanking the moon, Tyr, Odin, Thor, Frey/Freya, and Saturn on every other day of the week. I of course look forward to any day I can do what I want. No god or Bodie needed.
“For professing atheists, these questions can be overwhelming to make sense of within their worldview.For professing atheists, these questions can be overwhelming to make sense of within their worldview. And further, within an atheistic worldview, atheists must view themselves as God. Essentially, atheists are claiming to be God. Instead of saying there may not be a God, they say there is no God. To make such a statement, they must claim to be omniscient (which is an essential attribute of the God of the Bible) among other attributes of God as well.5 So by saying there is no God, the atheist refutes his own position by addressing the question as though he or she were God!”
No, these “questions” aren’t overwhelming at all for atheists. Bodie relies on ignorance, lies and fear to try to get people to agree with him and give him that external validation he so craves.
Most atheists, except for maybe the aforementioned megalomaniac atheists, do not think we are gods. We don’t pretend that we can affect the universe with magic, like, ahem, some people we know.
It is no problem at all to know that Bodie’s god and all of the other gods that humans have invented don’t exist. There is no evidence to show that the essential events that these gods supposed did happened, and we can show that entirely different things happened on any particular date that a theist might want to claim that these divinely caused events did happen. Bodie’s god is not some worm under a rock on Ceti Alpha V. It has quite distinct attribute per the bible and Christians, so it wouldn’t be hard to miss. I don’t have to be omniscient at all. And considering what the bible says, neither is this god.
“Do you feel conflicted about proselytizing the faith of atheism, since if atheism were true then who cares about proselytizing? Let’s face it, life seems tough enough as an atheist without having to deal with other major concerns like not having a basis to wear clothes, or no basis for marriage, no consistent reason to be clean (snails don’t wake up in the morning and clean themselves or follow other cleanliness guidelines based on Levitical laws), and no objective reason to believe in love.”
Now, Bodie has to repeat the theist claim that somehow atheism is a religion/faith: “a personal set or institutionalized system of religious(relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity) attitudes, beliefs, and practices” Faith: 2): belief in the traditional doctrines(a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief) of a religion – merriam webster He does this to try to convince a non-theist to not show that his beliefs are baseless.
His desperation shows through quite nicely here; “Let’s face it, life seems tough enough as an atheist without having to deal with other major concerns like not having a basis to wear clothes, or no basis for marriage, no consistent reason to be clean (snails don’t wake up in the morning and clean themselves or follow other cleanliness guidelines based on Levitical laws), and no objective reason to believe in love.”” His attempt to claim we atheists also have no reason to wear clothes or get married, or be hygienic, and not to be in love are quite histrionic. Let’s see: frostbite, secular (originally based on religion) laws to follow that silly but still have to be followed, infection and my own delicate sense of smell, and well, love doesn’t depend on Bodie or his god. That’s something we humans seem to have as an emergent property from our brains, and honestly, who cares if being in love is subjective or objective? Bodie and his god aren’t needed since all humans do it (except for the megalomaniacs again, and probably psycho- and sociopaths) Humans care for each other; and we can be pretty sure other animals do too. My cats seek me out even when I don’t have food for them or a warm spot to lay. They like to be around me. I like to be around those I love. Who is to say it’s not the same? Oh and snails clean each other’s shells. Nerite snails are notable for this, but others do it too. It might just be because they are hungry and there is algae there, but they all get cleaned.
BTW, Levitical laws about cleanliness weren’t about hygiene, they were about offending this god (aka pathetic men) with human stuff, like menstruation and poop (we don’t want god to walk in our poop “12 “You shall have a place outside the camp, and you shall go out to it. 13 And you shall have a trowel with your tools, and when you sit down outside, you shall dig a hole with it and turn back and cover up your excrement. 14 Because the Lord your God walks in the midst of your camp, to deliver you and to give up your enemies before you, therefore your camp must be holy, so that he may not see anything indecent among you and turn away from you.” Deuteronomy 23) These were the ignorant people who thought that skin diseases could be cured by bird blood.
“Are you weary of looking for evidence that contradicts the Bible’s account of creation and finding none?6 Do the assumptions and inconsistencies of dating methods weigh on your conscience when they are misrepresented as fact?7 Where do you suppose those missing links have gone into hiding? Surely the atheist sees the folly and hopelessness of believing that everything came from nothing.
In fact, why would an atheist care to live one moment longer in a broken universe where one is merely rearranged pond scum and all you have to look forward to is . . . death, which can be around any corner? And in 467 trillion years, no one will care one iota about what you did or who you were or how and when you died — because death is the ultimate “hero” in an atheistic, evolutionary worldview. Of course, as a Christian I disagree, and I have a basis to see you as having value.”
Bodie does try hard again when he tries to convince people that there are no contradictions in reality about the bible’s two contradictory creation stories. That’s funny since they can’t even keep the order of creation straight in the bible itself. Alas, Bodie is lying again. We have plenty of evidence of evolutionary change and that organisms have gotten more complex as time has gone by, depending on environmental stressors. We do not show animals starting out how they look now. Alas, again, Bodie depend on lies and fear to try to get atheists to agree with him. We have plenty of “missing links”: List of transitional fossils – Wikipedia
Dating methods aren’t wrong, but they do have limitations; and it’s grand fun to see creationists accept them for things they think support their nonsense e.g. the shroud of turin, dates for lumber in Egyptian buildings, etc. Dating methods are often dependent on physics, and if physics is consistent, Bodie’s magic god can’t exist. That’s why theist often get upset with dating, and when the dating methods show that their claims are wrong when they make up a date that their god did something.
Since we don’t know if everything came from “nothing”(and do define that), there is a problem with Bodie’s lies again. It seems that physics has no problem with something coming from a vacuum. And there is nothing morally bad about coming from nothing. Bodie tries so hard to play pretend that the universe is “broken” if it is the way it is which is always funny when creationists also love to claim how perfect the universe is in its “fine-tuning”.
Just because we die doesn’t mean we have no value. Why would it? Death is part of life, we die to make room for others. They have value too. I don’t need to pretend that I somehow deserve to exist forever. It’d be fun if I could, but until I get that titanium body that I can download my brain into, it’s not likely to happen.
As for Christians thinking that humans have value, well, their god certainly doesn’t; so if they support its actions, they don’t. It has no problem in killing humans constantly, either intentionally or by hold back its supposed healing magic. This god only values humans in its need to be stroked.
Now, we get where Bodie thinks that by spewing bible verses, atheists will be so overtaken by their god that we’ll agree with Bodie. His religious book is no more true than any other theist’s. He cannot show that what he has invented from his magic decoder ring is any more true than the next Christians who contradicts him.
He tries so hard to claim that atheists can’t believe in truth or lies. Ummm, why? We can see reality and point out when someone is misrepresenting it along with other humans. Christians don’t agree on what is their truth or what are heresies, so there’s no reason to believe them. They just can’t seem to get that great big stamp of god approval. Some authority that can’t get it through to its believers what it wants.
As usual, our Christian wants to define what a “consistent” atheist is since he knows he is lying about is. He must make an atheist that does what he want, a very classic strawman. Atheists do not tell you that you have no value. That’s a lie from Bodie.
Bodie wants to claim original sin makes you need his cure. But why would a god who promised never to hold children to account for their parent’s sins, hold every human in account for two people who weren’t their parents (and didn’t exist)? Happily, I do not feel that anyone should die for me and what I do.
Bodie is right, he has a need, aka a reason, to proselytize his faith. Not that JC commanded him to, but that he can’t stand to be shown wrong. He must be right in all things, and well, he isn’t. He needs someone to continually tell him he is right.
Atheists have a reason to point out that there are no god or gods. Believe in them causes existential harm because of the ignorance that humans claim to be “objective truth” when it is not. And we have plenty of basis for logic and reason. It’s how the world works. No gods involved that we have to shoehorn into things to invent a job for magical best friends who agree with you and supposedly protect you.
Of course, the last salvo is more fear and ignorance. He must invoke the “end times”. Since Christians have to reup their subscription to the end times ever generation, they aren’t show much luck.
The most logical response is to laugh at Bodie and his complete failure.
I do note that poor ol’ Bodhie doesn’t follow his god’s commandments. They don’t stop at the first ten, dear Bodie. I’ll save you a seat in hell.
Club Schadenfreude 
Jeeezus! I could only get through half of that before the wall of bullshit overwhelmed me.
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Bodie really hit the mark in being the one of the most oblivious and arrogant people I’ve seen. no wonder he is too afraid to have comments right on his pile of pious vomit.
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Well said!
If Bodie is half as clever as he believes he is, this would have been settled (at least) decades ago, and he wouldn’t have had to do it himself; his Deity would have done it. But I guess it does keep him off the streets most of the time, so it seems harmless enough. Just keep an eye on him now and again.
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he does make you feel that he does need some babysitting if he’s this clueless.
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JZ got further than I did. I was done at the second paragraph.
That is no ordinary blathering idiot. That one has true talent as a blathering idiot.
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that he does. The second half of that is no more than conservative christian masturbation.
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Repulsive and disgusting. It was a hit job piece, using all of the tried and true mental gymnastics, i.e. fallacies, strawmen, and lies, that the faithful have been conditioned to grovel to.
Did I say repulsive, and disgusting?
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Heh. 🙂
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“god kills humans, kills children for something they didn’t do, demands genocide and commits it, etc.”.
It’s quite natural that atheist’s brain’s are built up by cells of logical impairment. Just like a supreme court judge can’t be held accountable for imposing death penalty and other kind of punishments to an offender. Similarly, God can’t be held liable for his divine judgements . It’s quite sad that atheist’s people fail to accept the fact that man is born to suffer his sin in this world and only recourse is to take shelter at the lotus feet of Christ. who comes to reclaim suffering souls from this miserable world of death and suffering.
Man, women or a child are accountable for their own previous sinful deeds in their previous lives. Just like the son is held responsible for his father’s vicious acts towards others by state laws. Similarly, the divine laws of the nature are so perfect that it will not discriminate between child or man who appear innocent in this life. Everybody are destined to live a particular life span in this world. If we lead a pious life by following God’s commandments we will get fantastic life span, good birth, wealth and power. IF we are rebellious to God’s commandments we will suffer irrespective of who they are.
This world is like a jail and we all are prisoners therefore our only aim is to get out of this prison by following the rules and regulation of ten commandments sincerely and strictly and accumulate the merit to go back to our eternal home. Its not the allegation that God is cruel towards children by causing death to them. Death is the ultimate truth of this world and everybody knows that they will die at any moment. So, death is inevitable and no one in this world cannot avoid it. Death is equal to man, new born baby, animals and plants. Death is the law of this nature so, anyone who misconstrues natural laws to be criminal acts of God are fools and idiots.
You said that you prayed to god and nothing happened. It’s just like telling that a criminal after he has been convicted guilty and sentenced to regress punishment by judge, prays to judge to release him immediately without any conditions to fulfill his personal desires without undergoing punishment or following rules of law. God has given us life and gifts to us as much as we deserve according to our past karma. So, anything in excess to our quota is rejected.
Here is the best example everyone knows that Lord Christ spoke gospel of God to everyone. He taught non violence towards humans and animals. Christ didn’t took revenge on those who insulted or tortured him. Instead he showed compassion and mercy on them. but what happened. Christ was taunted, tortured and crucified to death. In spite of all these personal tribulations physical and mental harassment’s which he had experienced, he didn’t lose faith in God nor he didn’t blame God as cruel. Therefore Lord Christ is celebrated as the greatest soul or devotee of God till now.
God is impartial to everyone. Before you accuse God you people forget about how God saved people of Israel from Pharaoh bonded slavery and how God protected from pharaoh armies attack. How God imposed covenants and laws to the people to live a pure and peaceful life. Those who act in violation to such Laws or commandments are held responsible for their vicious acts. Here is the prime example that person like pharaoh in Bible represents atheistic character of this modern world.
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Well, thanks, ST, for showing that your morality is nothing more than might equals right. I do enjoy a Christian apologist for genocide and killing kids. So you try to claim objective morals and say your god is the source, but then say that your god doesn’t have to follow those morals. Good for you!
Again, Christians can’t agree on what sin is, so your claims of “suffering for sin” is simply a baseless bit of nonsense. As for this “miserable world of death and suffering”, do go and volunteer to remove land minds and cluster bomblets. You can do a good deed *and* maybe get out of here sooner.
Oh and here is more of your invented religion. Anything to give your vicious ignorant god an out. Reincarnation? Yep, as much nonsense as astrology and Christianity.
There are far more than ten commandments for you to follow. But like every other Christian, you just invent your own religion based on what you want to pretend.
Shucks, and getting more and more incoherent. I do love how your ravings contradict your bible and show you are a nitwit. Now you bring karma into the whole mix.
Your god taught violence. Remember he promised to bring a sword. But of course you just pick and choose what you want in your religion creation. Your god required JC to be tortured to death. What an idiot god.
Per the bible, nope, God is not “impartial”. But you want to invent your god to be. There was no Exodus, so no this god did nothing for the Israelites. There is not one shred of evidence for the nonsense about the “exodus” in the bible, Not one latrine or trash pit for 600,000+ people wandering around for 40 years in an area half the size of Pennsylvania.
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Chuckles, See this is the problem with the atheist. they are not willing to accept the results for their wrong deeds. So you are not ready to follow ten commandments. Right?. It’s not only Bible but all the bonafide religions says that we are born sinners and we have to seek atonement for our sins.
Thanks mam for graciously accepting that you like to be a sinner.
Atheist people want to be under illusion that they are the good people. nevertheless history shows maximum number of genocides in the name of communism. Adolf hitler misused religion for propagating atheism, Stallin was a ruthless dictatorship who even killed his people, family, lenin’s successor leon triotsky, his generals. Even among the religious fights you don’t find a religious leader butchering his own men.
The incidence which took place in exodus happened before Christ more than 3000 years ago approximately. So, one must take in to consideration the power of time destroys any material evidences. You can’t simply deny the fact which was accepted by million people. If you cannot appreciate the divine incidences in exodus the defect is with you. Incidences cannot be corroborated based on material evidences alone as they were subject to destruction and decay.
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ST, in that Christians can’t agree on what “wrong deeds” are, I’m not impressed with one more Christian giving me their baseless opinion. I’m not a sinner since there is no sin. That’s all in your imagination.
I’m amused though, with the need of Christians to ignore their supposed savior and not follow *all* of this god’s commandments. As usual, the Christian picks and chooses which god laws he wants to follow.
Nope, all of the religions don’t say we are born sinners and have to see atonement. And alas, your religion is no more “bonafide” than any other religion/cult.
Most people in the world are good people, and ST and his god aren’t needed. Alas, we have far more genocides commanded by your god in the bible than there has been modern history. As for atheism causing genocides, nope, it hasn’t. Megalomania has. My mere existence as an atheist who has no desire to commit genocide just underlines your lie. And hmmm, butchering your own men? “And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and’ fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?” 2 Samuel 6
There is no date for the exodus, so you are lying again, ST. Time doesn’t destroy bones and broken pottery in trash pits over just 3000 years. We have bones and pottery far older You fail again. I can deny a story believed in by lots of people All you have again is a fallacy, this time an appeal to popularity.
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Define “sinner.” And please refrain from using any reference to “God.”
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This, people, is Brandolini’s Law at work. Refuting ST’s BS would take more time and effort than it deserves. “Karma” and “lotus feet of Christ” are just two examples of the mutant form of so-called Christianity he displays here.
Yes, we’re all sinners, Spartan, but so are you. And if he were real, he wouldn’t need you to try to explain his laws, especially since you’re doing such a poor job of it. BTW, the real Spartans never heard of your god, let alone worshipped him.
Go peddle your papers somewhere else.
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hah, hadn’t heard that law before. Yep, it is definitely an example of that. ST has made a religion smoothie, putting all sorts of shit in a blender and hitting the button.
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Whoops! Don’t try to dodge away. what about the enormous massacre made by adolf hitler and stalin who just killed his own men in millions just for the reason that he suspected them. Do you certify them as very good people?. You can’t deny history of atheist leaders ruthless cold blooded whole sale murders. Right?.
@Nan- I think you have vision problem i suggest you to see ophthalmologist to fix your defective vision.
I said “we are born sinners”.
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ST, as usual, you make false claims. Hitler was a Catholic, Stalin was likely an atheist, but both were megalomaniacs. So were Mao, Pol Pot, etc.
I, by my mere existence as a atheist who has no interest in doing genocide, shows your claims to be no more than lies by a theist.
I’m doing a art show this weekend so will have limited time to respond. I will after it is over.
and as usual, poor ST can’t tell us what sin is without invoking his god. And since theists can’t agree on what sin is, it becomes a matter of baseless opinion from them.
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And I asked YOU to DEFINE “sinner.” Perhaps you are the one that needs glasses.
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@Nan- those who don’t strictly follow Ten commandments are sinners. In other words those who are meat eaters, drunkards or drug addicts, those who have illicit sex, gamblers are sinners. Those who leads unrestrictive sex life are sinners.
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Oh … sorry. I just saw your added comment.
However, you ARE bringing “God” into the definition when you reference the “Ten Commandments’ since, according to the bible, “He” is the one who issued them.
So again, how do you define “sinner” without referencing any kind of religious connotation?
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alas the ten commandments have nothing to do with dietary laws. They have nothing to do with sex. They have nothing to do with gambling, or drugs or alcohol.
ST isn’t very bright.
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atheist people like you support abortions right?. Even there is no emergency situation to abort a child. So, you are not qualified to speak about genocide. As you people are expert in killing a infant in the womb. You cannot justify atheism as right on the grounds that some Christians are not following ten commandments. Ten commandments transcends sectarian religious barriers and it is applicable to everybody irrespective of different religious names.
I would like to inform you that I’m not a christian. God is common to everybody and so do the devotees of God. You totally thrown away moral aspect of religion and this shows your arrogance in following atheism which doesn’t have such moral values. The point is atheism don’t support moral principles and it doesn’t know to discriminate between right and wrong. Whatever you said is nothing but your demonstration of ignorance and arrogance.
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oh ST, you are quite the nitwit. You are a Chrisitan, and you’ve blended it with other religious nonsense.
Poor dear, still going on about the first 10 of the commandments, and making excuses why you don’t follow all of them in Exodus and Leviticus. Poor thing, again making up your religion.
I do support the right to have an abortion. You, and I, have no right to tell someone what to do with their body if it doesn’t harm us. You are just one more pathetic control freak. I can speak about genocide and how you worship a god that does it and demands it. You are evil, ST, as is your imaginary god. I need no god to have morality.
Atheism doesn’t have a moral part. That’s why atheists have many worldviews. I consider myself mostly a Epicurean. I don’t need to believe in a vicious ignorant god.
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@Nan- what is your actual question? You know I’m not an atheist. Why you want me to define “sinner” without reference to any kind of religious principles?.
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and now we know that the term “sinner” is meaningless without the nonsense of a god and the opinion of a theist.
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Although Adolf Hitler was raised Catholic, he came to despise the religion. Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels led the persecution of Catholic clergy in Germany. Heinrich Himmler (left) and Reinhard Heydrich, heads of the Nazi security forces, were vehemently anti-Catholic. Martin Bormann, Hitler’s private secretary, was a leading proponent of anti-clericalism. Nazi ideologue Alfred Rosenberg despised Christianity. So, Hitler was an atheist in a disguise of Christian. If he’s a true Christian he wouldn’t had persecuted Catholic clergies. Right?
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do detail on what a TrueChristian(tm) is, ST.
Again, still haven’t shown that atheism is the cause of persecution. It’s megalomania.
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Lol, Mam, it’s clear you don’t have any valid answers from your side. There is no point in closing your eyes and complaint to others that I’m not able to see. This shows that your brain is crippled to accept undisputed historical facts. Moreover, I didn’t ask question to you. The way in which you answered shows your lunacy.
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@Nan-Let us assume that we are in the real atheist world. You are in your home and suddenly a big strong man breaks inside your house and stabs at your back with his knife. Luckily, you. Survived the attack but suffered the pain caused by such injuries. Again another day the same man breaks inside your house and try to stab you with his knife. This time you defended yourself from his attack and asked him the reason for his act. That man laughed scornfully at you and replied that he likes to kill you and your family. Terrified you asked him why? He replied- while doing such an act he enjoys such happy moments. Immediately after replying he lifts his knife and kills your near and dear ones who cannot defend themselves. He jumps in happiness plunders your riches and left the place.
What will be your response to his reply and actions?. Will you acknowledge his reply?
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Of COURSE I would call upon your god to protect me … and surely he would by stopping this insane (and happy) individual from taking my life and those of my loved ones. Right? Right?
Look, S-A, there is NOTHING you can say on this blog that is going to change my mind. No more than I can change yours. So, unless you simply enjoy stirring the pot, I suggest you move on. Of course, I’m not the blog owner so if she wants to put up with you, that’s her prerogative. But I’m done.
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@clubschadenfreude– A true christian is that christian who follows ten commandments strictly and who follows foot steps of Lord Christ with full faith and with stead fast determination. why you are so bothered about this?. are you going to follow such principles?.
You chose to be in dark, ignorance and bereft of moral values. God is nonsense for you people because you love immorality. you love to have free sex for that purpose you kill child in the womb, , you love to kill animals and eat its blood and flesh to satisfy your taste buds, you love to lie, you love to live in illusion, deception, you love to cover the truth and so on and so forth.
Is it enough mam or do you want further elaboration?
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Gotcha! madam. you are done.
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and the theist has to claim victory since no one would have noticed since they failed.
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@Nan- Lol, Nan are you having any short-sight problem?. I told that we are in the real atheist world. Where is the question of God in the atheist world you idiot?.
In the analogy that man is not insane because He tried to kill for your riches and he also gave you reasonable answer that he enjoys doing so.
You are the one who is running away like a coward without giving proper answer. Give a proper Answer or otherwise accept your defeat.
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@clubschadenfreude. Yeah. We are always victorious because you atheist moron’s don’t have any proper answer to prop up your atheist’s believes. Still you haven’t answered my question about Joseph stalin’s ruthless murder in millions, lenin’s murders, atheist leaders killing of their own people, abortion of a child in womb.
Moreover atheist’s people falsely claim to be Good person. History shows that atheist leaders are whole sale killers, ruthless, Insane lunatics, Liars, Dishonest in accepting real scientific findings.
You have no logical arguments to establish your position as right. I presented the historical facts but you just reject without giving any valid reasons. This shows you are a dishonest moron and megalomaniac which is one of the eternal traits of atheist.
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“Still you haven’t answered my question about Joseph stalin’s ruthless murder in millions, lenin’s murders, atheist leaders killing of their own people, abortion of a child in womb.”
Actually I did. I pointed out that you are an idiot and megalomania explains the genocides in Soviet Union, China, etc. I as an atheist who has no need to commit genocide, shows you are simply a liar.
As for abortion, I think it’s a stupid method of birth control, but since there are idiots like you who want to limit birth control, you get to be responsible for every elective abortion. You, and I, have no rights on someone else’s body if what they are doing doesn’t harm us. As for a Christian whining about abortion, funny how you have no problem with a god that kills children, advocates for ripping up the wombs of women, demands genocide, etc. Nice morals there, ST. Nothing more than might equals right.
Most people are good people, and no ST or god/gods needed.
You have no facts showing that your religion is true or your god exists. You have done a great job of showing how humans just make up bullshit they want to believe. Oh and that so many theists have no problem with lying, ignoring their supposed holy books.
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Thanks moron, for your generous confession that you are hypocrites, cheater and obstinate rascal. You haven’t yet answered these issues and and yet you continue your ignorant ranting in a nonsensical way. You want to live like a pig and so you defy God. this is the fundamental truth for your sheer obstinacy.
Thanks for demonstrating your profound insanity.
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alas, ST now lies some more since no one has “confessed” that they were “hypocrites, cheater and obstinate rascal” Not one one quote from anyone to support ST’s lies.
Poor dear, now he’s upset that he’s found out that no one needs him or his god.
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And don’t you just love how this person exemplifies the love and compassion and concern for others that his idol preached about? I’m just soooo ready to follow his god … aren’t you?
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heh. ST and his kind do get upset when someone dares not to need him or his god.
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Lol, you love to be a liar criminal and you expect other’s to love your criminality. There is no answer from your side about following ten commandments.
Stop your hypocrisy and try to be honest in following ten commandments. If I’m not concerned about you people i wouldn’t be speaking in this blog to make you understand about the unpleasant consequence’s by following atheistic principles. Further Nan, you try to escape from the truth by not giving proper answers for the analogy.
You know very well that you can’t justify atheistic principles as it is based on the ruthless crazy principle of “survival of the fittest”. Those who are weak deserve to die and those who are strong deserve to live.Right?. Any human society which is bereft of moral principle is animal society. In the animal world there is no such thing like love, compassion, mercy. Etc. whatever it gratifies your senses is right and whatever act you do to gratify your senses is law. Life is nothing but sheer accident, chance and luck. No purpose in life and no meaning in life.
In the above analogy when you are in the edge of death you said that “I will pray to God”. Right?. So, the fact is life is not meaningless there is value for everything. If you are real atheist there is no need for you to get terrified because we are just product of matter and the matter has no such sentiments like love, compassion and mercy. If you are real atheist you wouldn’t be talking about love, compassion and mercy. You would have said Whoops! Unlucky, its an accident. Therefore you are not just a combination of matter you are individual spiritual consciousness.
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Alas, ST has no idea what the first ten commandments even say. And now he whines that Nan won’t give him the answers he needs. Poor thing.
There are no “atheist principles” other than the conclusion that there are no god or gods. All you do is lie again, ST. Nice to see you ignore your god when convenient like most theists. Nope, the weak don’t deserve to die. Happily, atheists have morals and often far better ones than theists who excuse their genocidal and child-killing god. Atheists have compassion, mercy, and love. And I know that makes ST upset since he must feel like he is special. Life is not “sheer accident” and ST goes on to show how ignorant he is.
Nope, I won’t pray to your god, dear and I never said that. You lie yet again. That’s all poor ST has.
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“I do support the right to have an abortion”. Thanks for admitting that you are a cold blooded murderer. You have the right to maintain the child not to kill a child in the womb. Here, Here is the example of so called good person. Lol.
I think you are such a blind idiot that you cannot see what is told in the ten commandments.
Thou shall not kill and thou shall not commit adultery. Advertising yourself as good person doesn’t prove you are a good person. If you are really a good person you would not be reluctant to accept and follow Ten commandments right?. So, you admitted the fact that you possess the traits of a professional killer. If you people are given powers to rule this country No doubt there will be another joseph stalin, and adolf hitler. Megalomaniac is not the proper reply for describing insane massacres committed by psychopath atheist’s leaders.
Just like you have right to live.You people are killers of animals which also has right to live. Right?. Every living entity in this world has right to live. So, you don’t have any right to kill anyliving entity.
Atheist principles destroys the world. God destroys such kind of atheist’s people to save the world. Genocide applies to you people who support abortion . You want to fuck like a pig but you don’t want to take up the responsibility of a mother to maintain and nourish the child. God is not ruthless killers like you people who unnecessarily kills living entity for their self-centered ego and enjoyment. He has the prime responsibility to protect the righteous and destroy the sinful persons like you for maintaining peace and order in this world.
Therefore shut up your mouth you cold blooded criminals.
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Ah, yes, ST, who worships a god that kills children for no fault of their own. Sure, dear, you have a “great” place to whine about morality. And nice lies about me. Still spewing those false witnessing words. Alas, ST forgets his god has no problem ripping children out of the womb.
Again, the ten commandments don’t mention abortion, and ST just ignores all of the other commandments since they are inconvenient for him. He’s no more than the usual theist hypocrite.
Hmmm, so if the commandments say “thou shalt not kill” and your god kills, gee, your god can’t even come up to its own rules. How pathetic. Of course, you’ll try to lcaim that this god doesn’t have to follow its rules, which does a lovely demonstration that your morality is no more than might equals right. The ten commandments are rather silly. No, I wouldn’t follow such nonsense since those commandments say that women are property. What stupidity there.
“2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 you shall have no other gods before[a] me.
nope, since no evidence for such a pathetic god. But nice of the authors to claim that there are other gods.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation[b] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
No god, no need for idols.
7 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
Let me just say fuck this god.
8 Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work. 10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.
No god, no “holy”, and funny how Christians can’t agree on when this is.
12 Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.
Nope, won’t honor anyone who hasn’t earned it.
13 You shall not murder.[c]
Oh shucks, is it murder or kill?
14 You shall not commit adultery.
This one isn’t bad. And it’s been around for far longer than ignorant “Israelites”
15 You shall not steal.
Same for this one.
16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Same for this one, and poor ST won’t follow his god’s laws. Tsk.
17 You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
More primitive nonsense.
Alas, ST now has to lie and claim I have the “traits of a professional killer”. Nope, but that doesn’t keep a Christian from lying. HE also have to lie about atheists in general. Tsk. It is fun to see him admit that it takes psychopaths and megalomaniacs to cause genocide. Not atheists since he had to use another adjective to make his point. Poor thing.
And poor dear, now he has to try to attack me over eating meat, evidently. Alas, his religion advocates for that and for killing animals as sacrifices. His god loves the smell of burnt meat per his own holy book.
There are no “atheist principles” other than the conclusion that there are no god or gods. ST lies again. And his god does nothing to “such kind of atheist’s people”. His god is impotent and evidently imaginary. Then we get to see ST’s fantasies about sex. Ugh.
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“kills children for no fault of their own”. How do you know that they are faultless?. Further I already explained that disease and death is the nature of this world. Child or adult everybody is subjected to disease and death.
You need not keep on proving that you are irrational idiot. It’s not that all the children of this world are dying simultaneously at the same time. It’s not that all the human being are dying simultaneously at the same time. Further, you are a supporter of abortion you don’t have any qualification to speak about this.
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and now we have ST having no problem in his god murdering children and having to make up a lie that children are sinners thanks to his god.
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Stop your insane lunatic speech. You admitted that there is no such good principles in the atheist realm. Do you accept ten commandments?
Answer yes or no.
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and more incoherence from ST. The first ten commandments are a mix of theist lies and some coherent ideas that were around far longer than ST’s ignorant agrarians.
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Hey, you dumbass. It is you who is speaking like a brain damaged retarded person. You are not answering to my questions directly. I asked you that whether all the children in this world are dying at the same time?. Yeah, God punishes criminals like you in the form of death. You can raise this point only when all the children in the world dies.
You are a professional butcher you kill animals by opening huge slaughter houses.you are totally disqualified even to speak about God. You are a cold blooded murderer who support abortion. You are happy to kill a child in womb for your sex pleasure. and you put blame on God for your wrongful deeds. Did God instructed you to open huge slaughter houses?. Did god instructed you to manufacture nuclear bombs?. Did God instructed to commit crime against body and property?.
You accepted that that atheist have no good principles and you are afraid to accept any good principles. You admitted that you want to be a criminal and you love to be a criminal. So, you are a terrible criminal cold blooded murderer, psychopath insane moron.
Therefore, since you don’t accept ten commandments you are wrong doer and a criminal. I don’t like to speak to deceptive criminals like you who don’t want to accept and follow good principles.
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and more incoherence and lies. Tsk. poor ST, he has a genocidal god and throws a tantrum when that is pointed out.
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Insults are all he has, Vel.
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yep, and they aren’t even good ones. 😀
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