Not So Polite Dinner Conversation -for your entertainment

Jonathan, a christain and creationist, is just precious in his ignorance and lies about evolution. Here’s a bit where he truly disintegrates. (memes at the end if you just want to scroll down)

“On the contrary, I understand evolutionary theory quite well, which is why I ask these questions. My questions are meant to encourage you to think critically. So if you find my questions incoherent, it’s probably because you refuse to be critical of your own personal, religious beliefs. I know fully well that evolutionists cannot answer many of my questions, which is why I pose them. Hopefully, instead of saying “We don’t know YET,” you pause to consider that the reason why you don’t know yet is because there’s no mechanism in nature that could design and build an eye from mutations (and other mechanisms) over millions of years in a step-by-step fashion until it is optimized in different kinds of animals to thrive in their environment. Therefore, this logic should be enough to realize that we can see our creator through his creation (see Romans 1:20). This logical conclusion is the very evidence you claim doesn’t exist. And it’s a much more satisfying conclusion than hoping that someday atheists will be able to explain how Nature did it without God (thus deifying Nature). All this is consistent with the Bible, which points directly to God as our creator.

You keep using the word “cult” as if it applies to others, but not you. But I suggest that evolutionism is a cult.

Of course there’s such a thing as perfect DNA, and I explained what that would constitute. You’re welcome to deny that it ever existed, but, if the Bible’s revelation from God is true, then those who love truth should be open to evidence for it. And I’d suggest, if humans had truly existed for hundreds of thousands or millions of years, then our DNA should be so mutated that we would have gone extinct long ago. The only realistic explanation or reasonable solution is that God made mankind not that long ago.

Now your claim that no mistakes means cancer is illogical. No mistakes means that the cell reproduces perfectly, the way it was intended. It doesn’t mean that the same cell keeps reproducing indefinitely without stopping. However, in a perfect world, the cell wouldn’t necessarily need reproduce or die because the regulators in the cell would prevent that. Further, God is able to sustain all things, including cells. The Bible provides many examples of God sustaining his creation. Consider Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. They were thrown into the fiery furnace, yet their bodies were not harmed (Daniel 3:1-30).

You keep complaining about how Christians do not agree on everything, but I’ve already explained this many times before- sin.

Anyway, if you really believe that God is unjust and unfair, then it would be wise to appease him, don’t you think? No one wants to be on the wrong side of an unjust and unfair God. Anyway, the God I worship is completely good and just, so you don’t have to worry about being punished unjustly.

You claim that I “can’t show a single instance of a scientist “unwittingly” claim that there is design.” Well, if I can produce an example, would you be honest enough to admit that I was telling the truth and that it was you who lied? The attached link is a wonderful example because it was a published in a peer review study, but the journal was forced to retract the paper after much backlash, even though the study was produced by evolutionists, lol.

You say that “Saying something looks like design isn’t saying something IS design.” Right. And that’s why I used the word “unwittingly,” which you objected to. But that’s my point. Biological things do look designed… according to evolutionists. And I would suggest that the reason why such things look designed is because they ARE! Consider, if I said that ant hill over there looks like it was designed and built by ants, that doesn’t mean ants built it. But if they did design and build it, then it was designed and built by ants. And that’s why the anthill looks like it was built by ant… because it was!

What I said about Francis Collins was true. I stand by my comment. Collins, Lennox and Bechly all held evolutionary beliefs.

Lastly, as for your nearsightedness, if evolution were capable of building something as complex as an eye, then why can’t it keep increasing the complexity of our eyes so that they never fail? Surely if evolution were powerful enough to design such wonderful eyes throughout the animal kingdom, why has evolution stopped improving our eyes? Shouldn’t all these mutations in our eyes provide us with better eyesight? Yes, if evolution were as powerful as you claim, then the eyesight in all organisms should be improving because that would confer an evolutionary advantage, right? But sin explains why our eyes fail over time.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientific-study-paper-creator-intelligent-design-plos-one-creatorgate-a6910171.html“

ROFL.  Jonathan, you don’t understand evolutionary theory since you claim that bacteria resistance isn’t an example of it.  You are quite an incompetent liar yet again.   You don’t think critically, and you still have no evidence for your imaginary friend.  

I find your questions incoherent since you are ignorant and lazy.  I have no religious beliefs, so again you demonstrate you have no idea what you are talking about.   Your questions are nonsense based on ignorance.   So your lauding yourself that no one can answer your questions is just an idiot claiming that no one can answer his incoherent nonsense.  

We don’t know yet about a lot of things, and that still doesn’t make your imaginary friend exist.  It’s no bad thing to admit what we don’t know.   You can’t do that since your self-importance requires you to be best friends with an imaginary being. 

Then you show your ignorance yet again with claims of “design”, which does not exist in nature.  Evolution doesn’t design anything  and neither does your imaginary friend.  Evolution is when environmental pressures select attributes that are beneficial in that environment. 

The eye is one example of many for evolutionary theory being correct.  Eyes vary amongst organisms depending on the environment.  There is no optimization, there is what works.  Again your typical ignorance about evolutionary theory destroys your credibility. 

Romans 1 is nothing special, but what all cults claim for their god. Strange how not one of you theists can produce any god, having to make up excuses where your god is.  Nature is not deified, but nice lie there too, dear.  There is nothing satisfying about a claim that cannot be shown as true.   Where’s your imaginary friend, Jonathan? 

Every cult has some set of stories that “points toward the creator” and not a single one of you can produce this “creator”. 

You can suggest “evolutionism is a cult”, but you would be wrong. Darn. 

There is no such thing as perfect DNA, and you made up garbage that never happens.  Show it existed, dear.  You made the claim, now you have to support your claims with evidence.  Of course you can’t, you have nothing but fairy tales.  Nothing shows that the bible is true at all, so your premise fails miserably.  Your ignorance about DNA and mutations also shows your “suggestion” to be more garbage. 

It’s hilarious how you have no idea how cells work at all, which means your idiocy about cancer fails.  This is where “perfect” shows how meaningless a term it is.  A cell is working correctly if it dies.   Your cult’s assumption that there would be no death is dependent on a myth, which you cannot show to be true. 

Oh dear, it’s so sweet when you claim that your bible myths are true.  Sorry, dear, the story about Shadrach, et all is just a story.  They weren’t in a furnace and they never existed.   You fail yet again since you assume your cult’s stories are true.  You have no evidence for that.  Strange how your god doesn’t bother with “sustaining his creation” since Christians starve, Christians die, etc.  This poor lil’ god can’t even heal people like it supposedly could “once upon a time”. 

Yes, you’ve made many lies up about why Christians don’t agree on everything.  You claim that only your version is the right one and every other Christian is wrong and is “sinning”.  Curious how they make the same claims about you, and not one of you can show that there is a “right” version.  Why can’t you do what jesus promised, Jonathan? 

It’s absolutely fantastic that you say that I now need to appease your imaginary friend, if I think it is unjust and unfair.  Thanks for admitting it is unjust and unfair per your very own bible.  I don’t appease bullies, dear, so you have failed amazingly well.  Your god is not “completely good and just” since your god supposedly kills people for things that they didn’t do or have control over.  Again, dear, would it be just or fair if you were killed for something I did? 

Yep, you can’t show a single instance of a “scientists unwittingly claim there is design.”  If  you could, you would have rather than trying to whine about me admitting you were telling the truth.  The attached link is nonsense as usual and you have shown you have no idea what “unwittingly” means. 

“In the opening sentences of the study, it claims the link between muscles and hand movements is the product of “proper design by the Creator.”

Later, it says human hand coordination “should indicate the mystery of the Creator’s invention,” and concludes by again claiming the mechanical architecture of the hand is the result of “proper design by the Creator.”

Referring to a “creator” shows that the author intended to refer to a creator.   Poor Jonathan, “unwittingly” means: 1: not knowing : unaware 2: not intended : inadvertent

So, now you agree that something looking like design isn’t saying something is design.  Thanks for showing how you’ve repeatedly failed to show there is any design.  The authors of that paper are evidently not “evolutionists” since they refer to a creator. Your article  has failed you, dear.  Your “suggestions” are just more baseless claims. 

Again what you said about Collins was a lie, and of course you stand by your lie

You again show how you have no idea how evolutionary theory works, dear.  Evolution doesn’t happen without pressure and there is no pressure to keep increasing the complexity of our eyes.  Us humans have removed that pressure since we invented glasses, eye surgery, social communities, etc.  If I had no glasses, I would be at a severe disadvantage for hunting, etc, and would have to depend on someone who could see well to support me. 

It’s lovely how you still whine about sin and yet you cultists can’t even agree on what it is.  Yet again, we come back to how Christians can’t agree and can’t show that their god exists at all.