Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – Anti-Israel isn’t anti-Semitic

While I’m still dealing with influenza (I always forget just how horrible it makes you feel (and to see why you do feel horrible see here)) , I thought I’d do a post about the current religious nonsense here in the US.

We have conservative Christians having a tizzy that a US representative criticizes the country of Israel. They lie, of course, and try to claim being anti-Israel is being anti-Semitic. That the government of Israel continues to flirt with acting exactly like their historical persecutors, makes it a target for just criticism. When these same conservatives have no problem with worshipping a orange nitwit who says that wannabee nazis are “fine people” and the vice president is of a strain of Christianity that desperately wants the events in Revelation to come true and needs the state of Israel to be on the stage to be destroyed, this concern about anti-Semitism is nothing but poorly hidden hypocrisy.

Then we have Trump signing bibles for conservative Christians. It’s rather silly to see them acting like teens at a rock concert wanting some bit of trash signed by someone they idolize. Other presidents have signed bibles, at the request of families for a certain purpose, but it does seem to be an unusual practice, noted by a Christian professor from near where I live. This article notes the Washington Post article, which in turn notes that Trump does love to quote bible verses when convenient, and that “two Corinthians” verse is quite an interesting one, especially in context:

Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stone tablets, came in glory so that the people of Israel could not gaze at Moses’ face because of the glory of his face, a glory now set aside, how much more will the ministry of the Spirit come in glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, much more does the ministry of justification abound in glory! 10 Indeed, what once had glory has lost its glory because of the greater glory; 11 for if what was set aside came through glory, much more has the permanent come in glory!

12 Since, then, we have such a hope, we act with great boldness, 13 not like Moses, who put a veil over his face to keep the people of Israel from gazing at the end of the glory that[c] was being set aside. 14 But their minds were hardened. Indeed, to this very day, when they hear the reading of the old covenant, that same veil is still there, since only in Christ is it set aside. 15 Indeed, to this very day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their minds; 16 but when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And all of us, with unveiled faces, seeing the glory of the Lord as though reflected in a mirror, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another; for this comes from the Lord, the Spirit.”

Except for the Book of Hebrews itself, one can’t find much more of an anti-Jewish screed in the bible. Paul is still the persecutor, he just changed his colors and his horse. And that is what these ever so concerned Christians want to have Trump sign and cite. What I discovered that I didn’t know before is that some Muslims find that Paul to be a corruptor of JC’s word too. What a mess of imaginary claims, who hates who for what reason and all of it nonsense.

Of course, it’s these conservative Christians who insist that it was a “miracle” they *personally* weren’t killed (evidently 23 deaths were their god’s will) and how it’s just great that they get special attention from FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) for help but who cheered when that jackass Trump threatened the help received by people they don’t agree with in California.

What a foul tangle human invention makes to validate ignorance and selfish nonsense.

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What the Boss Likes – welcome a most unusual looking follower of this website

Let us all welcome “The Majesty’s Men”, a Christian website that seems be, well, interesting. This is from their gravatar page.  Their website hasn’t been verified by ICANN yet.  They do have quite a nice logo, if rather a bit over the top, something like I’d expect in a Dan Brown novel or perhaps on Warhammer 40K power armor.

 

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – a handful of quick dismantlements of common theist claims

This was bouncing around in my head while I couldn’t sleep last night.

The claim that atheists *must* be nihilists or aren’t being atheists “correctly” – this fails since “dude”, and WLC (William Lane Craig, a very inept conservative Christian apologist and philosopher), have yet to show that subjective morality or meaning in life is somehow not as good as claims of “objective” morality. It also fails since Christianity has no objective morality either. The idea of good and bad is not separate from their god, which it should be to be objective. They only have might equals right.

The claim that Jesus Christ must be historical – There is no evidence for magic/supernatural/divine events or beings. WLC fails hilariously at this when his entire basis for his claims is that an empty tomb existed. He can’t show that the tomb exists nor that it was ever magically empty. The possible itinerant deluded rabbi is not the being that Christians claim to worship. “dude” and conservative Christians are so desperate for any evidence that their magic friend exists, “dude” et al accept claims that do a fair job in showing that their magic being never existed at all. Something else entirely did, like every other supposed magic event in the bible.

The claim that complex things must have creators but that this god doesn’t need a creator – this one is great since it’s again nothing more than special pleading. “dude” and his fellow believers have to claim that this god is intelligent, can affect this world, has to exist outside this world, cares about each and every believer, controls the universe in detail, but somehow this being is “simple” to fit the definition conservative christians invented in their need to have a job for their god (Plantinga’s argument that God is simple because his god has no “parts” and is a ghost is one of the most ridiculous). This is why Dawkin’s ultimate 747 works; it shows the utter contradiction in what theists claim. This is where claims that Dawkins and other atheists don’t study the “sophisticated theology” correctly fail so well. Those claims are nothing more than the desperate moving of goalposts by Christians who fancy themselves more intelligent and intellectual than their fellow Christians and anyone who doesn’t agree with them.

The claim that philosophy, aka a baseless opinion usually started as “what if people were like this, then “x” should be true”, reflects reality – This is a belief that a lot of freshmen in college fall into when they find someone who agrees with them and they seem to be an authority figure. Occasionally a philosophy does get something right. However, how many philosophies have died because reality doesn’t reflect them? Most, and new ones keep being invented, like that anti-natalist nonsense. And what evidence do the philosophers have that their claims are true, for instance WLC’s philosophy about atheists must be nihilists? Very little if any at all; but they sure hope that people will agree with them and give them the external validation they crave. There are atheists who are nihilists but there is nothing to show that atheism causes nihilism or requires nihilism.

Indeed, my very existence and the existence of happy atheists all over the world, shows that these Christians’ philosophical navel gazing is simply wrong. It seems that since many theists try to claim that anything that can be imagined has to exist e.g. the ontological argument that if their version of a creator god can be imagined it must exist, that they believe that their thoughts *all* have to be true. That they don’t seem to understand that human can imagine many things that are not real is rather bizarre version of solipsism aka anything I can think of is real and everyone else has to be wrong.

In the end, all theists like “dude” has is that he wants to believe something. He’ll accept anything he thinks supports the idea that he has the secret to how the universe works, and he is best friends with its creator.

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – us atheists haven’t heard a “clear logical defense of Christianity”??

Heinlein was a little too wanting women barefoot and pregnant, but he did get it right about religion.

As my title says us atheists haven’t heard a “clear logical defense of Christianity”.  At least that’s what good ol’ Ray Comfort says.  He wants Christians, and atheists, to come to his failing Ark and listen to what he claims to be this unicorn, since, no, there isn’t any such thing as a “clear logical defense of Christianity”.  Even Christians can’t convince each other that they have the “right” answer and the “right” Christianity.

Now, this supposedly will be a 5 day conference over Easter weekend “This five-day conference also features a Good Friday service with our President, Emeal (“E.Z.”) Zwayne, and a free Easter sunrise service on Sunday morning, which you can attend even if you can’t make the conference!”  and will have the Answers In Genesis people there too.  I wonder, can we have a fight between old earth Christians and young earth ones?  For this being a “five day conference” you get a total of 14 hours of rehashed stuff, maybe seen Ken Ham for two hours (or pay an extra fee as is likely) and the rest is movies and preaching, or expecting you to get your own food since that’s not covered either.

Now this “priceless” bit of nonsense is:  $500 for a family (only families that are approved of AIG, of course, and only one child gets to eat free per adult who buys food at the museum), or $250 for a couple or $199 for a single person.  This is of course not including lodging, and gee, you get tickets to see something you’ve probably seen before, the failed Ark. Of course, there is an upcharge for “certain events” not defined.  Oh and we mustn’t forget the 20% off of the crap in the souvenir shop.

One of the speakers is Jason Lisle, who actually has a PhD in astrophysics, and not so strangely has not published one paper on how that idiocy happened, but plenty on how the sun actually works. So much for that long promised “evidence” for creation that AIG, and other peddlers of lie claim to have “real soon now”.  They also have one other scientist, Georgia Purdom, who sadly has a PhD in molecular genetics, but has chosen to study “She seeks to understand the original, created, “very good” roles of bacteria in the pre-Fall world and genetic mechanisms that have led to their adaptations and pathogenicity in a post-Fall world.”  It appears she is studying evolution, but well, don’t all it that, and well, hers has to be by magic.  It is no surprise at all that neither publish in peer reviewed journals anymore.  They know that their creationist nonsense won’t pass muster, so they hide in creationist magazines.

So, we have Living Waters charging more money for what they’ve said before, and what has failed before.  I’d be happy to give an education on creationist claims to any one who wants it entirely for free.  For you see, Ray won’t be saying anything new; Ray has published the same stuff for decades, and the last time he wanted to educate atheists, he tried to put a certificate for a Subway sub in his book just to get people to take it, wasn’t allowed and failed miserably (he did give the certificates to the homeless after being shamed into it).  They just want your money for their “megaconference”.  I have run conferences.  If you need more than 15 minutes between topics, then you are just padding things to charge more.

Nothing like TrueChristians(tm) cheating each other.

 

 

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation: More TrueChristians™ acting like idiots, and a painting

This has been a week for me running into all sorts of TrueChristians™.   They certainly do run the gamut of being just thoroughly unpleasant people.

I frequently kibbitz on the Washington Post facebook page (and at the WaPo site itself).   I also comment on ThinkProgress’s facebook page. I’m Jane Ravenswood there, an old email address that is a remnant of my interest in steampunk. On the WaPo’s thread about Trumpty Dumpty and Pence giving speeches at the “March for Life” aka theocrats who desperately want to force their beliefs on others because they need external validation, a lovely TrueChristian™ named Wayne Wheeler decided to be a liar and utterly fail at sarcasm. This what Wayne said “my wife is pregnant, we dont have enough money to get her an abortion, can you help us out? We don’t feel it is the tax payers responsibility, so we are asking you for the money. You seem so kind and willing to help.” Now poor Wayne doesn’t seem to realize that anyone can look at his facebook page and see that it’s rather unlikely that an abortion is needed at all, and that he is a Trumpie minion. If this request was true, I would indeed help someone out, expecting a lot of evidence before I did so, of course.   Unsurprisingly, Wayne vanished after his bluff was called. You just can’t trust a TrueChristian™ these days. Tsk.

On the ThinkProgress’s page, they had a very interesting article about how homeschooling may not be as innocent as people, especially TrueChristians™ claim. I posted “the conservative Christian is one of the most dangerous things to the US. They want a theocracy and are willing to crawl into bed with anyone to get power.” Of course, there are conservative Christians on that page, who were terribly indignant that I said this, with one Michelle Godown (yep, that’s her last name, must have been hell in high school for her) saying “Yes. The ones who want more personal freedom and liberty, less government, less power, and simply to be left alone and leave others alone are the ones who want a theocracy. Do you even know how paranoid and ridiculous you sound?”

The hypocrisy and outright lying in this TrueChristian™ quote is amazing. So, I asked her, just how does this work when TrueChristians™ spend millions on getting their religious beliefs legislated into law. No answer. Then more TrueChristians™ decided to pop up, and whine about what I said (it was rather amusing when they did their best to use the laughing emoji on facebook to evidently try to ridicule me, when most others use that emoji to show they appreciate the humor in something). I asked them the same question.

Can you guess what their response was to that question?

Yep, crickets; not one single answer from at least a half dozen. The poor TrueChristians™ vanish faster in the light of the truth than vampires do in the sunshine.

I also asked the Living Waters people how many children they’ve adopted since they are so against abortion. I got this back “This is an attack on the person instead of the argument. Whether someone adopts or not, does not change the fact that abortion is the murder of an unborn child. It’s no different than saying unless I am willing to marry my neighbor’s wife, I cannot prevent her husband from beating her; unless I am willing to adopt my neighbor’s daughter, I cannot prevent her mother from abusing her; unless I am willing to hire ex-slaves for my business, I cannot say that the slave-owner should not own slaves.May God open your eyes to the horror that is abortion.”

They are certainly desperate not to walk the walk that they want to force on everyone else. I did response to this nonsense by asking them how their supposed concern with children works with their consistent voting for politician who cut help for children and families. They don’t even try.  I did ask this person what she thought of this god opening my eyes to the murder of children in the bible.  No response yet.

Finally, we got to see pathetic young men in Trump hats (aka the new white hood) who are no more than privileged thugs, trying to be impressive whilst verbally attacking a Native American veteran. The poor little fellows were bothering what appear to be African-American believers in some variant of Judaism/Christianity, and the member of the Omaha tribe tried to restore some order. Of course, they didn’t like that, ran away and then returned with more brats. Now, it seem one of their mothers is now blaming their behavior on “black muslims”. No surprise this nonsense starts at home and at church since these idiots are from a Catholic school. This when punching a Nazi, or giving one a good spanking, is needed.

This is why it is so important to stand up against such idiocy.

On a much lighter note, I’m again painting. I wanted to see if Bob Ross’s techniques could transfer to alcohol inks. I think I did pretty well in making a mountain. No “happy little trees” though. I call this “On a Terraforming World”.  That’s Steinlen’s Gaudeamus Cat behind the canvas.

On a Terraforming World

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – when you just can’t good help these days

A rather extraordinarily deceitful anti-atheist organization, the rather derivatively named Freedom from Atheism Foundation, has been my current antagonist today. I got my holiday present as a lovely example of how incompetent and deceitful some theist can choose to be.  As often occurs, the topics are familiar.  If you are usually here to look at my cats, cooking and drinking entries, you might want to give this a pass.

This whole thing started with the usual conservative Christian claim that the US is a “Christian Nation”. Let’s see how this goes. I’ll start (and this is with computer fits and mis-spelling complete). FFAF’s responses are in italics. And yes, this perfectly fine to share per Facebook.  It’s always curious to see a conservative Christian organization doing their damndest to spread a false claim that the US is christain nation and then trying to insist how great they are for defending others’ religions, with no evidence that has ever happened.

and we begin!

A shame that some Christians choose to lie. the US is not a Christian nation, since it happily doesn’t say “see bible” for the constitution, and since you Christians can’t agree on what your god wants it seems that you have no laws at all. 

It would be a lie to claim the Founders were in any way against Christianity, even the non-religious all agreed religion was important to our democracy. Anti-religious forces are ideological bullies and thugs and against American values, which include religious pluralism and tolerance and the right to establish communities that reflects our values. You have zero right to demand we be silent about our beliefs or have our beliefs disregarded in government.

WE are full voting citizens. Christians created this country. Your disrespect of religion gives us, the Non-Atheist majority, no reason to listen to you. Your hatred, your contempt, show that what we say about Atheism as an ideological hate movement is true.

YOu lie when you claim that the US is a Christian country. You are indeed full voting citizens. NO one has said you are not. And funmajoirty at al

You lie when you claim the US was founded on anti-religious principles, or when you suggest there is ever anything wrong with advocating for our values based on whatever standards we want. Religious freedom was given to you by Christians. You are welcome.

wow, that was quite a mangling. Sorry, my computer took a fit. Christians are not a majority in the US. Why? Because each sect claims that they and only they are the one TrueChristians. Indeed, thanks to your intersectarian hatred, you are a minority religion. And no, religious freedom was not given to anyone by Christians. Christians have murdered each other over their internal religious differences. I grew up knowing a lot of anti-Catholic hatred, thanks to being raised a Presybterian. You see, Christian, you can’t lie to people who know the facts. The US constitution is not Christian, it was based on English common law, which again was not from Christianity. Happily, the horrors of the commandments were not forced on us, the stupidity of making a woman marry her rapist, murdering homosexuals, murdering people who dare to wear mixed fibers, murdering anyone who works on the sabbath (something else Christians can’t agree on). How many people have you murdered, dear? And please, don’t come back with the lie that you don’t have to follow the commandments, other than the first ten. If you read them, they don’t just stop and JEsus Christ himself said that all of his father’s laws are to be followed until the earth and heaven pass away. They haven’t yet. And you are stuck wiht ignorant laws from people who invented a god.

Yep, you are full voting citizens and you do your best to deny that right to others. You want a theocracy based on your version of your religion. Shall we go with Roman Catholicism? Presbysterianism? Jehovah’s Witnesses? Unitarianism? those morons who follow the Westboro Baptist church? The Mormons? Which is the one true Christianity? And please do demonstrate how you can prove it.

WHen you claim our laws are ignorant and involve an invented God, there is no further reason to talk to you. You obviously do not understand the history of this nation or what religious pluralism is. Your paranoid delusions of a theocracy are just offensive. Please go away and leave us alone. Merry Christmas!

Ah, there you go. You can’t rebut me and show that your god exists or explain why Christians don’t agreeon whaat their god wants. Show that your god exists, dear. And I do know the history of this nation quite well, and know you are a liar when you try to claim the US is a Christian nation. Funny how we dont’ follow the laws in the bible at all. Now why would that be, dear?

No, dear, I don’t leave liars alone. You get to have your lies shown and no, dear you don’t have some right to lie to others. You don’t get the right to try to take people’s ability to make informed decisions. Again, where is your evidence for your claims? Why doesn’t the US follow biblical law? Why isn’t biblical law in the Constitution? And why don’t Christians agree on what this god wants? Surely it isn’t that hard to show is it? A true baptized believing Christian who has accepted Jesus Christ should be able to heal people and doo miracles just like Jesus per the bible says in Mark. Why aren’t you clearing out cancer wards? Or aren’t you a Christian as defined by the bible at all?

You are not an honest collaborator. Please go spew your hate propaganda to someone else.

Nice bearing of false witness dear. Your god says not to lie ever, not even when you think you are lying for it. Romans 3. Please do read your bible for once.

again, dear, surely you can show your claims are true, right? Show that I am wrong. Show me that you and you alone have the one true Christianity. At this time of year, when you celebrate your religion, this is the best time to show you are right. That you can’t even show you are a Christian per your own bible is problematic. I will be happy to meet you anywhere in the US and you can show me you are a Christian at a VA hospital where you can heal amputees, or a pediatric cancer ward where you can give families the best Christmas present ever. You won’t though, will you? You’ll create some excuse why you can’t do what the bible promises. And that is a shame. Merry Christmas.

Once again, we defend all religions against Militant Atheist hate propaganda. We are under no obligation to prove anything to anyone. The US was founded as a fundamentally religious people and the Founders acnkowledged that without religion the Constitution could not stand. We were founded on religious pluralism, not on anti-religion.

That is such a lie, dear. Amazing how christians like you ignore your bible when you want to lie. How about some evidence to support your claims? And sorry, you are a conservative Christian organization, and about as incompetent at lying as the orange messiah you worship. The founding fathers say no such thing that the US is a christian nation and they repeatedly stated the opposite. The US is religiously pluralistic. You are not. But keep lying, dear. NOthing is better to show that you have no more respect for your religion than I do.

and to show that you are nothing more than a conservative Christian association, let me quote you “re you tired of buying Christmas presents in secular stores that censor Christmas and show disdain toward your Christian beliefs? He is a link to the Naughty and Nice list, which can telly you which businesses support or censor Christmas. Enjoy!” Why is it that conservatives always forget that there are recording media paying attention to what they have said? Tsk.

We support Buddhists, Fulan Gong, Jews, even Muslims against oppression.

Sure, dear. Not one bit of evidence and reams to show that you are just the usual conservative Christian idiots who lie about a “war on Christmas”.

We have presented evidence many times. Good day.

And you hven’t presented any here at all. Hmmm, let’s see what is on your website “If God does not exist, everything is permissible.” Ah, yes, only Christian nonsense. “How do you react to the claim that God became a human being in Jesus?” It’s a shame that you choose to lie and try ride on the backs of others when you believe that they are damned. Tsk.

We present evidence regularly and as we have noted we have evidence in many areas. If you want to specify what you want as evidence, and for what, that would help.

so, where is this evidence? You see, dear, making a baseless claim with no evidence isn’t evidence at all. I’ve already asked you my questions. Please show that your religion is the only right one. Show that you are a Christian per the bible’s description of what a baptized, worshipper of Christ can do. Show that atheism is responsible for atrocities when the only thing that was is megalomania. Show that the US constitution is based on biblical law. Show that you have helped anyone but yourselves. The cases?

I do find it hilarious that you are honest enough to call your lies and propaganda exactly that on your website.

It is not honest to continually demand “evidence” while refusing to specify what you want evidence for, precisely, or what form of evidence you would like to see, or even what you will consider “evidence.”

LOL. Oh my. I have specified exactly what evidence you need to provide. All you are doing is delaying the inevitable, Christian, because you know you have nothing. But here we go: “an outward sign” this is the definition for evidence. Show me the outward signs that your version of your god exists. Now, I suspect you’ll try to say “the universe”. The problem with that is that all religions make that claim. None of you have evidence that your god is the only one. Show me that you are a Christian by doing what the bible says a true chritian should be able to do (the gospel of Mark). Show me that you have materially supported anyone but yourselves. A case that has been argued? Names of those whom you hve supposedly defended. Show that the US constitution was based biblical law. Explain why the founding fathers did not put one piece of biblical law in the constitution. Show how the lack of belief in god/s is responsible the atrocities you claim. And explain how this works if I and other atheists do nothing of the sort. Now, what is the next excuse you will offer?

Please review the many regular postings we have made publicly. Good day.

yep, there you go, nothing at all. Just a desperate hope that a vague claim will again delay the inevitable. So much for your lies about defending others against the strawman atheism you lied about on your website. Thank you for being such a great example of Christianity but then again, since you can’t show you are a Christian at all, I guess all we have is that you are a great example of someone who can’t support a word they say. “5 But if our injustice serves to confirm the justice of God, what should we say? That God is unjust to inflict wrath on us? (I speak in a human way.) 6 By no means! For then how could God judge the world? 7 But if through my falsehood God’s truthfulness abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? 8 And why not say (as some people slander us by saying that we say), “Let us do evil so that good may come”? Their condemnation is deserved!

Hmmm, seems that again, conservative christians aren’t doing well and on Christmas Eve! Oh well, considering how so many conservative Christians themselves have stomped on the ideals of Christmas, love and peace, I’ll be happy to adopt this orphan holiday.  Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it.  Happy holiday of your choice to the rest!

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – some agnostics and their curious arguments

As I’ve indicated on other posts, I occasionally search on the terms “atheist” and “atheism” on Wordpress’s blogs.   Here I find a lot of posts by atheists, and also a lot by theists and agnostics too.

Agnostics always strike me as very defensive.  They seem to think that having no position is the only position.  they also have a tendency to defend religion on the “what’s the harm” basis (that always fails and this website shows why).  This one for instance, that insists that us atheist have “ruined” atheism.  What it pretty much comes down to is someone who doesn’t like atheists having the facts on our side, and that we should sit down and shut up because we might offend theists and him.  This is my response to our agnostic:

Atheists and atheism haven’t changed at all. We’ve always been here and we’ve always been just as confrontational. Why you want to pretend we haven’t been is beyond me and it shows you’ve never read Robert Ingersoll, et al from the 19th century. Is it that you want us to sit down and shut up by trying to make directness a “bad” thing? That Ham admitted that he is an idiot and would rather believe a lie than accept anything else is no bad thing against atheists. It sure does show poorly for theists.

And yes, atheists *are* on the side of science. We know that the lies of creationists are not based on reality. Not one claim of a theist about their myths and magic has ever come true. Atheism is the scientific position since we know that there is no evidence for theist claims and plenty of evidence for completely different events happening. The gods as described by their believers don’t exist. They have attributes claimed to them and thus then can be tested with no problem. Believers know this for they keep trying to change their definition of their god, with Christians like Karen Armstrong, makin their god vaguer and vaguer so their god can keep hiding in the ever shrinking gaps.

You might want to hide and not confront people who lie. That is your choice. That does not make atheism and atheists wrong. Us “rough men” allow you to hem and haw and insist that your way is the only way.

As for your claims of all of the “good” religion has given us, what is this good and why is it religion that is the source of it, rather than just decent and humane human beings? You seem to be intent on ignoring the harm that religion has done, the children that the faithful have sacrificed on the altar of their ignorance sure that their god will heal them, the genocides caused by the religious sure that anyone who disagrees with them is evil and satanic, the destruction of science because the religious can’ take anyone showing that their god is imaginary, etc.

as for your false claims about how charitable believers are, all they are doing is contributing to themselves. Their contributions to the church for that great new sound system are part of this charity that you cite without thinking. That great big megachurch is technically a charity but funny how the actual charities in those towns go begging for money from everyone. In my town, we have ten pages of churches in the phone book but funny how the local homeless mission has to ask for money from an atheist like me. Moral framework is not from religion which constantly changes what it wants to claim “objective morality”. Or do you want to claim that genocide is just peaching since religion claims that their gods want this?

author, you seem to be no more than a religious apologist who doesn’t like atheists having the facts on their side.

as for humans being disposed to killing one another, wouldn’t be nice to have one less reason for that to happen, especially one based on lies about magic beings and whose imaginary friend is better than the others?