Not So Polite Dinner Conversation: More TrueChristians™ acting like idiots, and a painting

This has been a week for me running into all sorts of TrueChristians™.   They certainly do run the gamut of being just thoroughly unpleasant people.

I frequently kibbitz on the Washington Post facebook page (and at the WaPo site itself).   I also comment on ThinkProgress’s facebook page. I’m Jane Ravenswood there, an old email address that is a remnant of my interest in steampunk. On the WaPo’s thread about Trumpty Dumpty and Pence giving speeches at the “March for Life” aka theocrats who desperately want to force their beliefs on others because they need external validation, a lovely TrueChristian™ named Wayne Wheeler decided to be a liar and utterly fail at sarcasm. This what Wayne said “my wife is pregnant, we dont have enough money to get her an abortion, can you help us out? We don’t feel it is the tax payers responsibility, so we are asking you for the money. You seem so kind and willing to help.” Now poor Wayne doesn’t seem to realize that anyone can look at his facebook page and see that it’s rather unlikely that an abortion is needed at all, and that he is a Trumpie minion. If this request was true, I would indeed help someone out, expecting a lot of evidence before I did so, of course.   Unsurprisingly, Wayne vanished after his bluff was called. You just can’t trust a TrueChristian™ these days. Tsk.

On the ThinkProgress’s page, they had a very interesting article about how homeschooling may not be as innocent as people, especially TrueChristians™ claim. I posted “the conservative Christian is one of the most dangerous things to the US. They want a theocracy and are willing to crawl into bed with anyone to get power.” Of course, there are conservative Christians on that page, who were terribly indignant that I said this, with one Michelle Godown (yep, that’s her last name, must have been hell in high school for her) saying “Yes. The ones who want more personal freedom and liberty, less government, less power, and simply to be left alone and leave others alone are the ones who want a theocracy. Do you even know how paranoid and ridiculous you sound?”

The hypocrisy and outright lying in this TrueChristian™ quote is amazing. So, I asked her, just how does this work when TrueChristians™ spend millions on getting their religious beliefs legislated into law. No answer. Then more TrueChristians™ decided to pop up, and whine about what I said (it was rather amusing when they did their best to use the laughing emoji on facebook to evidently try to ridicule me, when most others use that emoji to show they appreciate the humor in something). I asked them the same question.

Can you guess what their response was to that question?

Yep, crickets; not one single answer from at least a half dozen. The poor TrueChristians™ vanish faster in the light of the truth than vampires do in the sunshine.

I also asked the Living Waters people how many children they’ve adopted since they are so against abortion. I got this back “This is an attack on the person instead of the argument. Whether someone adopts or not, does not change the fact that abortion is the murder of an unborn child. It’s no different than saying unless I am willing to marry my neighbor’s wife, I cannot prevent her husband from beating her; unless I am willing to adopt my neighbor’s daughter, I cannot prevent her mother from abusing her; unless I am willing to hire ex-slaves for my business, I cannot say that the slave-owner should not own slaves.May God open your eyes to the horror that is abortion.”

They are certainly desperate not to walk the walk that they want to force on everyone else. I did response to this nonsense by asking them how their supposed concern with children works with their consistent voting for politician who cut help for children and families. They don’t even try.  I did ask this person what she thought of this god opening my eyes to the murder of children in the bible.  No response yet.

Finally, we got to see pathetic young men in Trump hats (aka the new white hood) who are no more than privileged thugs, trying to be impressive whilst verbally attacking a Native American veteran. The poor little fellows were bothering what appear to be African-American believers in some variant of Judaism/Christianity, and the member of the Omaha tribe tried to restore some order. Of course, they didn’t like that, ran away and then returned with more brats. Now, it seem one of their mothers is now blaming their behavior on “black muslims”. No surprise this nonsense starts at home and at church since these idiots are from a Catholic school. This when punching a Nazi, or giving one a good spanking, is needed.

This is why it is so important to stand up against such idiocy.

On a much lighter note, I’m again painting. I wanted to see if Bob Ross’s techniques could transfer to alcohol inks. I think I did pretty well in making a mountain. No “happy little trees” though. I call this “On a Terraforming World”.  That’s Steinlen’s Gaudeamus Cat behind the canvas.

On a Terraforming World
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Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – when you just can’t good help these days

A rather extraordinarily deceitful anti-atheist organization, the rather derivatively named Freedom from Atheism Foundation, has been my current antagonist today. I got my holiday present as a lovely example of how incompetent and deceitful some theist can choose to be.  As often occurs, the topics are familiar.  If you are usually here to look at my cats, cooking and drinking entries, you might want to give this a pass.

This whole thing started with the usual conservative Christian claim that the US is a “Christian Nation”. Let’s see how this goes. I’ll start (and this is with computer fits and mis-spelling complete). FFAF’s responses are in italics. And yes, this perfectly fine to share per Facebook.  It’s always curious to see a conservative Christian organization doing their damndest to spread a false claim that the US is christain nation and then trying to insist how great they are for defending others’ religions, with no evidence that has ever happened.

and we begin!

A shame that some Christians choose to lie. the US is not a Christian nation, since it happily doesn’t say “see bible” for the constitution, and since you Christians can’t agree on what your god wants it seems that you have no laws at all. 

It would be a lie to claim the Founders were in any way against Christianity, even the non-religious all agreed religion was important to our democracy. Anti-religious forces are ideological bullies and thugs and against American values, which include religious pluralism and tolerance and the right to establish communities that reflects our values. You have zero right to demand we be silent about our beliefs or have our beliefs disregarded in government.

WE are full voting citizens. Christians created this country. Your disrespect of religion gives us, the Non-Atheist majority, no reason to listen to you. Your hatred, your contempt, show that what we say about Atheism as an ideological hate movement is true.

YOu lie when you claim that the US is a Christian country. You are indeed full voting citizens. NO one has said you are not. And funmajoirty at al

You lie when you claim the US was founded on anti-religious principles, or when you suggest there is ever anything wrong with advocating for our values based on whatever standards we want. Religious freedom was given to you by Christians. You are welcome.

wow, that was quite a mangling. Sorry, my computer took a fit. Christians are not a majority in the US. Why? Because each sect claims that they and only they are the one TrueChristians. Indeed, thanks to your intersectarian hatred, you are a minority religion. And no, religious freedom was not given to anyone by Christians. Christians have murdered each other over their internal religious differences. I grew up knowing a lot of anti-Catholic hatred, thanks to being raised a Presybterian. You see, Christian, you can’t lie to people who know the facts. The US constitution is not Christian, it was based on English common law, which again was not from Christianity. Happily, the horrors of the commandments were not forced on us, the stupidity of making a woman marry her rapist, murdering homosexuals, murdering people who dare to wear mixed fibers, murdering anyone who works on the sabbath (something else Christians can’t agree on). How many people have you murdered, dear? And please, don’t come back with the lie that you don’t have to follow the commandments, other than the first ten. If you read them, they don’t just stop and JEsus Christ himself said that all of his father’s laws are to be followed until the earth and heaven pass away. They haven’t yet. And you are stuck wiht ignorant laws from people who invented a god.

Yep, you are full voting citizens and you do your best to deny that right to others. You want a theocracy based on your version of your religion. Shall we go with Roman Catholicism? Presbysterianism? Jehovah’s Witnesses? Unitarianism? those morons who follow the Westboro Baptist church? The Mormons? Which is the one true Christianity? And please do demonstrate how you can prove it.

WHen you claim our laws are ignorant and involve an invented God, there is no further reason to talk to you. You obviously do not understand the history of this nation or what religious pluralism is. Your paranoid delusions of a theocracy are just offensive. Please go away and leave us alone. Merry Christmas!

Ah, there you go. You can’t rebut me and show that your god exists or explain why Christians don’t agreeon whaat their god wants. Show that your god exists, dear. And I do know the history of this nation quite well, and know you are a liar when you try to claim the US is a Christian nation. Funny how we dont’ follow the laws in the bible at all. Now why would that be, dear?

No, dear, I don’t leave liars alone. You get to have your lies shown and no, dear you don’t have some right to lie to others. You don’t get the right to try to take people’s ability to make informed decisions. Again, where is your evidence for your claims? Why doesn’t the US follow biblical law? Why isn’t biblical law in the Constitution? And why don’t Christians agree on what this god wants? Surely it isn’t that hard to show is it? A true baptized believing Christian who has accepted Jesus Christ should be able to heal people and doo miracles just like Jesus per the bible says in Mark. Why aren’t you clearing out cancer wards? Or aren’t you a Christian as defined by the bible at all?

You are not an honest collaborator. Please go spew your hate propaganda to someone else.

Nice bearing of false witness dear. Your god says not to lie ever, not even when you think you are lying for it. Romans 3. Please do read your bible for once.

again, dear, surely you can show your claims are true, right? Show that I am wrong. Show me that you and you alone have the one true Christianity. At this time of year, when you celebrate your religion, this is the best time to show you are right. That you can’t even show you are a Christian per your own bible is problematic. I will be happy to meet you anywhere in the US and you can show me you are a Christian at a VA hospital where you can heal amputees, or a pediatric cancer ward where you can give families the best Christmas present ever. You won’t though, will you? You’ll create some excuse why you can’t do what the bible promises. And that is a shame. Merry Christmas.

Once again, we defend all religions against Militant Atheist hate propaganda. We are under no obligation to prove anything to anyone. The US was founded as a fundamentally religious people and the Founders acnkowledged that without religion the Constitution could not stand. We were founded on religious pluralism, not on anti-religion.

That is such a lie, dear. Amazing how christians like you ignore your bible when you want to lie. How about some evidence to support your claims? And sorry, you are a conservative Christian organization, and about as incompetent at lying as the orange messiah you worship. The founding fathers say no such thing that the US is a christian nation and they repeatedly stated the opposite. The US is religiously pluralistic. You are not. But keep lying, dear. NOthing is better to show that you have no more respect for your religion than I do.

and to show that you are nothing more than a conservative Christian association, let me quote you “re you tired of buying Christmas presents in secular stores that censor Christmas and show disdain toward your Christian beliefs? He is a link to the Naughty and Nice list, which can telly you which businesses support or censor Christmas. Enjoy!” Why is it that conservatives always forget that there are recording media paying attention to what they have said? Tsk.

We support Buddhists, Fulan Gong, Jews, even Muslims against oppression.

Sure, dear. Not one bit of evidence and reams to show that you are just the usual conservative Christian idiots who lie about a “war on Christmas”.

We have presented evidence many times. Good day.

And you hven’t presented any here at all. Hmmm, let’s see what is on your website “If God does not exist, everything is permissible.” Ah, yes, only Christian nonsense. “How do you react to the claim that God became a human being in Jesus?” It’s a shame that you choose to lie and try ride on the backs of others when you believe that they are damned. Tsk.

We present evidence regularly and as we have noted we have evidence in many areas. If you want to specify what you want as evidence, and for what, that would help.

so, where is this evidence? You see, dear, making a baseless claim with no evidence isn’t evidence at all. I’ve already asked you my questions. Please show that your religion is the only right one. Show that you are a Christian per the bible’s description of what a baptized, worshipper of Christ can do. Show that atheism is responsible for atrocities when the only thing that was is megalomania. Show that the US constitution is based on biblical law. Show that you have helped anyone but yourselves. The cases?

I do find it hilarious that you are honest enough to call your lies and propaganda exactly that on your website.

It is not honest to continually demand “evidence” while refusing to specify what you want evidence for, precisely, or what form of evidence you would like to see, or even what you will consider “evidence.”

LOL. Oh my. I have specified exactly what evidence you need to provide. All you are doing is delaying the inevitable, Christian, because you know you have nothing. But here we go: “an outward sign” this is the definition for evidence. Show me the outward signs that your version of your god exists. Now, I suspect you’ll try to say “the universe”. The problem with that is that all religions make that claim. None of you have evidence that your god is the only one. Show me that you are a Christian by doing what the bible says a true chritian should be able to do (the gospel of Mark). Show me that you have materially supported anyone but yourselves. A case that has been argued? Names of those whom you hve supposedly defended. Show that the US constitution was based biblical law. Explain why the founding fathers did not put one piece of biblical law in the constitution. Show how the lack of belief in god/s is responsible the atrocities you claim. And explain how this works if I and other atheists do nothing of the sort. Now, what is the next excuse you will offer?

Please review the many regular postings we have made publicly. Good day.

yep, there you go, nothing at all. Just a desperate hope that a vague claim will again delay the inevitable. So much for your lies about defending others against the strawman atheism you lied about on your website. Thank you for being such a great example of Christianity but then again, since you can’t show you are a Christian at all, I guess all we have is that you are a great example of someone who can’t support a word they say. “5 But if our injustice serves to confirm the justice of God, what should we say? That God is unjust to inflict wrath on us? (I speak in a human way.) 6 By no means! For then how could God judge the world? 7 But if through my falsehood God’s truthfulness abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? 8 And why not say (as some people slander us by saying that we say), “Let us do evil so that good may come”? Their condemnation is deserved!

Hmmm, seems that again, conservative christians aren’t doing well and on Christmas Eve! Oh well, considering how so many conservative Christians themselves have stomped on the ideals of Christmas, love and peace, I’ll be happy to adopt this orphan holiday.  Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it.  Happy holiday of your choice to the rest!

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – some agnostics and their curious arguments

As I’ve indicated on other posts, I occasionally search on the terms “atheist” and “atheism” on Wordpress’s blogs.   Here I find a lot of posts by atheists, and also a lot by theists and agnostics too.

Agnostics always strike me as very defensive.  They seem to think that having no position is the only position.  they also have a tendency to defend religion on the “what’s the harm” basis (that always fails and this website shows why).  This one for instance, that insists that us atheist have “ruined” atheism.  What it pretty much comes down to is someone who doesn’t like atheists having the facts on our side, and that we should sit down and shut up because we might offend theists and him.  This is my response to our agnostic:

Atheists and atheism haven’t changed at all. We’ve always been here and we’ve always been just as confrontational. Why you want to pretend we haven’t been is beyond me and it shows you’ve never read Robert Ingersoll, et al from the 19th century. Is it that you want us to sit down and shut up by trying to make directness a “bad” thing? That Ham admitted that he is an idiot and would rather believe a lie than accept anything else is no bad thing against atheists. It sure does show poorly for theists.

And yes, atheists *are* on the side of science. We know that the lies of creationists are not based on reality. Not one claim of a theist about their myths and magic has ever come true. Atheism is the scientific position since we know that there is no evidence for theist claims and plenty of evidence for completely different events happening. The gods as described by their believers don’t exist. They have attributes claimed to them and thus then can be tested with no problem. Believers know this for they keep trying to change their definition of their god, with Christians like Karen Armstrong, makin their god vaguer and vaguer so their god can keep hiding in the ever shrinking gaps.

You might want to hide and not confront people who lie. That is your choice. That does not make atheism and atheists wrong. Us “rough men” allow you to hem and haw and insist that your way is the only way.

As for your claims of all of the “good” religion has given us, what is this good and why is it religion that is the source of it, rather than just decent and humane human beings? You seem to be intent on ignoring the harm that religion has done, the children that the faithful have sacrificed on the altar of their ignorance sure that their god will heal them, the genocides caused by the religious sure that anyone who disagrees with them is evil and satanic, the destruction of science because the religious can’ take anyone showing that their god is imaginary, etc.

as for your false claims about how charitable believers are, all they are doing is contributing to themselves. Their contributions to the church for that great new sound system are part of this charity that you cite without thinking. That great big megachurch is technically a charity but funny how the actual charities in those towns go begging for money from everyone. In my town, we have ten pages of churches in the phone book but funny how the local homeless mission has to ask for money from an atheist like me. Moral framework is not from religion which constantly changes what it wants to claim “objective morality”. Or do you want to claim that genocide is just peaching since religion claims that their gods want this?

author, you seem to be no more than a religious apologist who doesn’t like atheists having the facts on their side.

as for humans being disposed to killing one another, wouldn’t be nice to have one less reason for that to happen, especially one based on lies about magic beings and whose imaginary friend is better than the others?

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – the usual idiocy in the US thanks to conservative Christians

Here in the US, we certainly do have a pile of idiots who voted for a moron and now we all get to suffer for it.

This week, during the remembrance services for the first president Bush, we got to see just how ridiculous it is for Christians to follow a man who has no idea about the first things of their religion. It’s also most curious that we haven’t had the excuses that fountain up out of the millionaire pastors usually insisting that it’s okay to worship a liar, an adulterer, a self-confessed sexual abuser, a cheat, a supporter of murderous dictators, etc. There’s not been a peep about Trump’s failure with the apostles creed. I might think that they are just hoping this will all go away soon but why stop excusing an idiot now?

We also have a Christian pastor caught trying to rig the vote, and again funny how this god does nothing to stop its supposed leaders from being idiots? One might try to claim “free will” but if one actually reads the bible, this god had no problem murdering people who didn’t do what it wanted. So are we to think that this god wants lies? Well, the bible says it has no problem with lies, just as long as it is the one deceiving people.

And then we get the orange moron wanting to appoint another moron, one who thinks that D-Day was a great moment between Germany and the US. Hmmm, is this a blonde useless woman who used to be on Faux Noise? Why yes, yes it is.

There is a woman who is an illegal alien, but more courageous than most to call out the hypocrite Trump who has employed her. And Tillerson who was a failure, and now is finally getting a spine it seems.   As for Kelley, well, the babysitter in chief seems to have failed.

Mueller seems to have his ducks in a row. Pence is in the crosshairs as is everyone else associated with these vermin. No one will be sad when Trump dies. No eulogies praising him, just his family skulking about, hopefully in lovely orange jumpsuits to remind them of their failures.

I’ll be dancing in the streets.

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation: why do they choose to make false claims? – next up, DP Monahan

Well, for a blog called “truth and tolerance”, DP doesn’t demonstrate either. I’ve seen this particular Christian around on other blogs.  He tries to be friendly to the atheists he contests with, but when you get him on his own blog, he has no problem in making a lot of false claims about others. It’s rather pathetic.

DP goes after a video where Dr. Michael Shermer is talking about why humans believe in gods and presenting the hypothesis where humans see “intent” in many things that are simply natural. This “offensively stupid thought experiment” is only that because DP presents his strawman version of the actual hypothesis. Nothing in the hypothesis indicates that humans were always running for their lives at the slightest noise. Humans developed to think that there is a cause and effect behind every noise and movement, and then may have attributed to a intelligent being these cause and effects.   It’s amazing on how a Christian evidently needs to lie so badly that he ignores his own supposedly holy book’s words that people should never lie, not even if they think it’s for their god’s benefit (Romans 3).   He also desperately tries to argue that all thought experiments somehow assume “everything” (whatever that means) and that they prove nothing, which is debatable and something a theist must try to claim since what we do know of our remote ancestors doesn’t match with their myths.

DP goes onto thrash his very own strawman and of course ignore the actual hypothesis and what it says. DP also has evidently not seen a antelope run from a cheetah or a zebra from a leopard. They don’t do what DP says : “they will run a few steps and then look back to make sure.” I’ve also personally walked through a woods and scared the crap out of deer, quail, etc. They did pretty much the same to me.

Humans were frequently victimized omnivores, who have offspring that need tending for a very long time. They have no natural weapons, and were at the mercy of predators. DP seems to think that humans always had weapons, which show his complete ignorance of anthropology. Of course, being a creationist, this type of Christian has to ignore reality to keep their religion.   Humans can be predators, but they are not always predators. And just because something travels, explores, and takes risks doesn’t mean it doesn’t attribute natural occurrences to magical beings. It seems we are built to assign meaning to occurrences and, again, expect an intellect behind occurrences.   Humans would not necessarily be afraid of the wind, but they may have assigned that wind to an intelligence source causing it.

DP presents this paper from the NIH: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3689871/ and says it shows that they are “naïve skeptics”, but he does not admit that the paper also says that children have no problem in believing in Santa Claus and the reason why is “In fact, much of children’s apparent credulity, we propose, can be accounted for by their receptivity to the testimony of others; in fact, this receptivity may be precisely what makes children seem, to many, to possess a credulity bias.” The paper is actually quite good; it’s a shame that DP never seems to have read it but only assumed it supported him. It’s no surprise that he didn’t look up the original experiment and then tries to claim his presumptions have to be true. That can be found here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002209651100035X?via%3Dihub (I’ve not yet found it outside of a paywall)

The idea behind this hypothesis is that religion grew to be a way to make humans behave in a certain way for the benefit of the group e.g. “God will get you if you don’t do *this*”.   DP tries to make the claim that since not all religions have “abstract ethical content” (whatever that might actually mean) and an afterlife, this means that the hypothesis is wrong. He claims that “some traditional religions” make little reference to ethics, but does not indicate which of these do that. We also have him saying that the idea that a god watching one’s every move is a poor motivator for good behavior, “at least for those of us over three”. What he forgets is that is exactly the threat that Christianity makes, and yes, it is a very silly thing for adults to believe. These are a few verses from the bible that contradict what DP wants to have us believe:

20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.” – 1 John 3 (and hmmm that verse does present a problem for Christians who claim that god doesn’t give believers all they ask for)

“For my eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from my presence, nor is their iniquity concealed from my sight.” – Jeremiah 16

“Where can I go from your spirit? Or where can I flee from your presence?If I ascend to heaven, you are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, you are there. If I take the wings of the morning and settle at the farthest limits of the sea,10 even there your hand shall lead me, and your right hand shall hold me fast. 11 If I say, “Surely the darkness shall cover me, and the light around me become night,” 12 even the darkness is not dark to you; the night is as bright as the day, for darkness is as light to you.” Psalm 139

Indeed, the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing until it divides soul from spirit, joints from marrow; it is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And before him no creature is hidden, but all are naked and laid bare to the eyes of the one to whom we must render an account.” Hebrews 4

We also have DP saying that “no religion is self-evident”. Now, I’ve been told the exact opposite by Christians for years, namely with this bit of nonsense “19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse; 21 for though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools; 23 and they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.” Romans 1 Indeed, this bit of scripture says exactly what DP says it doesn’t ““Good Principles Self-Evident to All Humans”

DP thinks that if he was a “high brow atheist”, he would believe that humans were fully able think like us from the start, which is a baseless claim dependent on a belief in creationist nonsense. Yes, right now, our brains are quite highly developed, and many of us can recognize complex patterns, are able to anticipate what reality is from observation. We’ve developed language, and we are still the apes that saw effect and may have assumed an intelligent cause e.g. gods. Yep, we are story-tellers too, and that shows that there is no reason to think that stories are reality; humans love to make up stuff.   Religions are no the story of the world, because they all differ. They are an indication that there is no one magical truth, that some certain god is in charge. Religion does show that humans act in certain ways, but they have no evidence that they themselves are true.

All DP wants is to pretend that a “real” atheists would agree with him; and we generally don’t. He wants to claim that there is nothing to replace his religion and implies his religion does no harm, but ignores all of the various philosophies that are out there that don’t need gods at all. He, like many Christians, wants to pretend that all atheist are no more than nihilists or “cold materialists”, and tries that old canard that without his version of his god, all human experience is “ultimately absurd”.   Again, all DP has is his attempts to appeal to fear and to expect ignorance to support his religion.

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – questions posed to an atheist

As I am wont to do, I was roaming about wordpress looking for silly claims about atheists by theists.  While chatting with his son about another blog post, I found this list of questions by a pastor that has his church not too far from where I grew up.    So I thought I’d give it a whirl.  Most of what he thinks are great questions are the same old ones you’ve seen me address before on this blog.   This is such a collection of them, I figured it could give folks a “one-stop shop” in seeing them.

These were addressed to another atheist and supposedly that atheist never returned to answer Bill’s questions.  So here we go!

1) Why should I put my trust in you and your philosophy for my future and eternal destiny? Jesus Christ has far more credibility than anyone else. His words have greater wisdom and hope than any other philosophy and what it ultimately offers.

I’m not asking you to trust me.  Trust has nothing to do with it.  You’ll die and be recycled in this universe.  It seems that the main reason you believe is that you are afraid of death, nothing more.  And the idea of do unto others has been around far longer than your particular religion, so we’ve already got that as a philosophy without your or any version of Christianity.  In that the ancient Egyptians and Chinese seems to have got the idea earlier than you, should we follow those religions?  You have nothing to back up your claim that JC is more credible than anyone else.  You can’t even show that this magical being exists. 

2) When I am dying, what hope will you offer me? 

Why do you need hope when you are dying?   Fear of death is likely the reason that humans invented gods and religions.   If you hope to get well, the cures and therapies invented/discovered by the sciences that show that evolutionary theory and the Big Bang Theory are true, might help.  Your religion makes promises but there is nothing that shows those promises are true.  No heaven, no hell, no Chistians able to heal as promised.  My hope when I’m dying will be that I did my best while alive helping others and enjoying myself.  

3) What great accomplishment(s) do you claim to have done (fulfilled prophecy, miracles, resurrection, other feats and accomplishments) so I can examine the

evidence to see if your belief system has merit? 

I don’t need to do miracles to point out that being compassionate, etc has merit.  It can stand on its own.   However, you do need to do some miracles, since your bible claims that any baptized person who has accepted JC as savior will be able to do what he did. 

4) Why is it so important to you that I (and others) do not believe in Jesus Christ?

Because religion causes people to harm others, mostly because religion tries to claim that some people are “better” than others.   Humans make up religion and their gods in their image, and they want to claim a magical being validates their actions, no matter how heinous they are.

 5) What positive effects will atheism have on my life and eternity?

 Not much.  You might stop wasting time and resources on something that doesn’t exist and cease being frightened of hell and the devil.  Atheism won’t have any negative effects either.   It’s just not believing in imaginary beings because there is no evidence for them.

 6) Why do the fossil records reveal fully-formed creatures, but no transitional forms? Where is the socalled“missing link”? Continue reading “Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – questions posed to an atheist”