I’ve not had a complete nut for a while. Here’s one I ran into on youtube. Amazing how many rocks these idiots are under. After calling his lies out several times, I get this:
“Thank you all for pointing out my errors & challenging my position &/or perspective. It has reminded me of how short sighted I can be when wrapped up in my own head. I knew what I was trying to say, I just couldn’t express it coherently. My intention has not been to convince anyone of anything; it is just my understanding of things based on my layman level studies & life experiences conveying it in a free exchange of ideas in response to “Apologetics Squared’s” comment.
I hope it can be clearly understood with my words, this final time. My equation of good/evil = evil/good & explanations thus far have fallen short of achieving a clear & concise understanding of my perspective. I realize the fault rest in my lap, alone. I believe an illustration would be helpful.
A graphical illustration with words hopefully will do the job. Hopefully we can all agree at some level the following: 1. good & evil exists & a line separates the two with various degrees of each. 2. Morality & immorality are connected to good & evil in some shape form or fashion. 3. Ultimately, we all have the same origin 4. We are all similar, yet each of us is very unique.
After much reflection I realize it is actually much more complicated, yet simple at the same time.
Imagine a graph with, good in the upper left quadrant, evil in the lower left, evil in the upper right & good in the lower right. Above the left half we label good & the right evil. On the left side, what is good is moral, what is evil is immoral. On the right side, evil is moral & good is immoral. Therefore we have the equivalent perspectives on both sides inverted, essentially a mirror image. When expressing in an algebraic equation it can be expressed as good & moral/evil & immoral ≈ evil & moral/good immoral.
Above the graph place a circle directly centered above & connected to the line dividing the left & right halves. Now, from that same point on the circle touching the centerline, encircle the whole graph. Insert the word Source in the circle on top. The right & left halves are the perspectives of moral & immoral in relation to good & evil. It should like the #8 with a much larger lower half divided into 4 equal quadrants vertical & horizontally. Does scripture support any of my ideas to this point?
According to the Bible scriptures, light was created & separated from darkness on day 1. The Sun, Moon & stars where placed on day 5, not created. Then mankind was created on day 6. (Rev. 1) We can surmise from this that light & darkness are not day & night, (in verse 1), in the normal sense.
They have an alternate or dual meaning. Examples of light & darkness not being from material sources, such as the sun, moon & stars is 1 John 2:8-11, 2 Pet.
1:19, 1 Pet. 2:9, Mic. 7:8-9, etc. They infer good & evil.
This should at least verify the left ½ of the graph. We now need to interject mankind into the graph. We are the ones that have the perspective based on several factors which are varied. In order for man to have the capacity to be good, or evil there has to be something inherent we possess.
Christian circles call it sin nature. Perhaps others will call it the duality of man. What is the origin of mankind & the different races? These questions have pondered many. The standard narratives of explanation lack satisfying the curiosity of most, imo. There is so much controversy in this subject many dare not tread near its path. The following, many will probably find preposterous, or some other adjective, with added expletives. If so, well so be it, such is life.
In animal husbandry we have “pure bred” animals of all sorts. We also have produced new breeds of the various types of animals. We know that once, let’s say a mare is bred with another breed of stallion, the result is a mixed breed.
We also know that same mare can no longer birth pure bred offspring. We know that some breeds are preferred over others for their intended purposes. We also know when interbreeding to often there are many various undesirable results. The same principles applied to animal husbandry also apply to mankind. It is a genetic thing, from my understanding. I’m sure we have all heard of mankind’s Royal bloodlines. Some can be traced back for centuries & millennia.
Perhaps we have all heard the phrase, “spawn of Satan”, most often used in a metaphoric sense. What if the spawn of Satan is an actual bloodline? It would explain much where religious dogma is lacking, imo.
Let’s go back to Eden. Perhaps what Eve partook of was from the serpent’s seed. Then she partook of Adam’s seed the same day, even within the same hour. Then she bore twins they named Cain & Abel. Since Cain later murdered his brother Abel we can surmise Cain was the spawn of Satan. Let’s call this the evil seed line & add seed line to evil above the right side of our graph. Adam & Eve were not of this line & had other children. We can place this in our graph above the left half & call it good seed line.
A reference to satanic seed line:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTb5-xuFrlA (NOTE: Many will find the reference link racist. I do not endorse any negative racial claims in the video. I do not believe in any type of racial superiority. The video has many Biblical references that traces wording to the Hebrew roots that support my above statements.)
Now we have a graph that is almost completed with biblical reference to both sides, at least arguably so. We must now take into account the perspective of each individual from both seed lines on each side of the graph. If I am of the evil seed line my perspective will be in opposition to the good seed line, & vice a versa. Since both seed lines are corrupted with that of the other, due to seed injection from both sources into Eve, there are varying degrees of good & evil on both sides. How they are perceived by each side varies in degrees depending upon where one is located in the graph.
I hope you are able to visualize that. I’m certain we will not all agree, if anyone for that matter. I am not yet done. There is archeological, anthropological & sociological evidence of ancient origin that testifies to a similar “creation of mankind” narrative that has taken place all over the world at different periods of time. Zecharia Sitchin’s “Earth Chronicles” is one such source.
I am of the opinion it explains the source of our different races. This justifies our graph to be duplicated for each race. If we were able to inter-relate these graphs we would have a multidimensional montage of the interrelationship of good & evil, how they interrelate to moral & immoral in the varying degrees as perceived by all people.
If one can image how this would look, I believe it will explain many things, as well as raise many more questions. I once heard of a study conducted of the many attributes of God. Their conclusion, God is a being of at least 26 multiple dimensions.
We haven’t yet fully understood the 3 dimensions we live in & many hardly believe another dimension even exists we call spiritual. I hope you can at least visualize a picture of what I am expressing. Even with all this, it is not complete. I am not sure it can be on the level we exist upon.
This is my perspective of things. It doesn’t explain everything, nor is meant to. It just makes since to me & explains plenty of things about life. It is obviously very controversial & debatable.
When we debate about who is right are wrong we will just be chasing our tail, or ghost, or boogeymen that don’t exist. Nor will it bring unity & communion to mankind. On the other hand, when we realize we are from the same source, that there as so many perspectives, discipline ourselves to empathize with others & connect as many dots as possible in the multidimensional montage I have attempted to grammatically characterize, we will have unity & communion. If nothing else, our common ground will always be the source above which encapsulates us all. I’ll let you label that source whatever feels comfortable to you. In the infamous words of Forest Gump, “That’s all I got ta say about that.” God bless everyone, Amen.”
Now, this is my response:
I appreciate the time you took to write this. However, it is full of baseless claims and false claims, no more than the usual apologetics to try to excuse this god. And you still have lied: “Satanist/Luciferians believe it is moral, (perhaps not all of them)”
You have done an interesting job in showing that religion has people make up and believe in “insane” things.
Morality and immorality are what humans use to describe what they want to claim is “good” and “evil”. In my opinion, there are some standard ideas of good and evil, and they track with what allows society to work, based on property rights and individual rights. We have a problem with Christans when they don’t agree on what morality or “good” their god wants but they demand to have their opinions taken as some truth. All humans have their origin here on earth, and the evidence points to evolution and a common universal ancestor. There are thousands of religions who all claim that their god is the creator, and none have evidence for this. We are indeed similar and unique.
Your drawing is this:
It makes little sense. Not sure where you are getting any algebra at all
The bible says that light was separated from darkness. There is nothing in Genesis that says that this is a metaphor. The sun, moon and stars are created, since the bible, and Christians, claim that this god created everything. “ And God said, “Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. “ You are already misrepresenting what the bible says, either out of intent or ignorance. The author of genesis’ ignorance about how light works doesn’t mean that this author had any deeper meaning intended. This is apologetics, trying to retcon one part of the bible to match others.
So it doesn’t verify the graph at all. It has nothing to do with the graph. You can’t explain what this supposed “perspective” is either, hand-waving it away. You assume a objective good and evil, which again you can’t show, nor can you show anything “inherent”. You simply assume that like every Christian and present no evidence for it.
I have no problem with the fact supported origin of humanity and the different races: evolution and adaption. That theists want magic involved is childish. Your nonsense is indeed preposterous, baseless and racist.
You show your ignorance on how breeding works. “We also know that same mare can no longer birth pure bred offspring” You are so amazingly racist with your lie that a mare somehow can’t have a offspring of her breed if she breeds with a stallion of her breed after mating with a stallion of a different breed, e.g. a Thoroughbred mare can’t have a Thoroughbred foal if she mates with a Thoroughbred stallion after breeding with a Arabian stallion. You don’t even understand basic biology. How pathetic. Your nonsense comes right from wannabee nazis and white supremacists.
The “undesirable results” from interbreeding are nothing more than human opinion, but again, nice racist lies. You belong on Stormfront with your miscegenation lies.
Your ignorance about “royal” bloodlines also shows your ignorance. We have had quite the failure with limited genetics in those lines e.g. inbreeding having things like hemophilia showing up in European royal lines.
There being no satan, and theists claiming that satan is just a magical spirit there is no magical bloodline. All you want is to believe your racist nonsense.
Again, we have you making up your very own interpretation of the bible to make up your own religion and god, just like every other Christian. It’s quite hilarious to see how Christians invent new nonsense for their myths. Nohting in the bible supports your baseless claims so we have baseless claims on top of baseless claims. And your very own myth comes up with a problem since satan sperm would be with both children, but heck you just invoke more nonsense. The story has Cain murdering Abel because a very stupid god favored one over the other for no reason, and this omniscient god knew what would happen. Then of course we have Cain finding more people around and whole cities so the whole Genesis thing is such a pitiful failure.
You’ve already shown you are a racist so you do support the “negative racist claims” in your pathetic video. You do claim that there is racial superiority with your attempts to claim that “some” people are satanic. Always good to see racists run away from their responsibility. All you have is just more Christian Identity aka Nazi nonsense.
We do have a graph and that graph is complete nonsense and created by a poor lil’ man who wants to pretend how great he is. I do love how the “born that way” nonsense shows how again, Christians can’t agree on free will or predestination. It’s also hilarious that what you’ve think you’ve invented is nothing more than an alignment chart from a role-playing game. Sorry, that’s been around for years.
There is no “archaeological, anthropological and sociological” evidence for your lies, Kirk. You just are recycling the social Darwinism bullshit that was left behind decades ago, except for wannabee nazis. There is nothing to support your claim of a similar creation narrative all over the world. One just has to know about the religions of others and their myths to know that is an outright lie. Stichin is an ancient astronaut nitwit whose claims have been shown as lies again and again. He’s about as silly as Velikovsky.
Your baseless nonsense is indeed your opinion and it has nothing to do with reality. There was no “study” on the attributes of this god, only more baseless opinion, since there is nothing to “study” and theists don’t agree. It’s always so cute when some idiot theist decides to lie about string theory to make their baseless claims sound important.
Your “perspective of things” is nothing more than the usual incoherent nonsense invented by human being who wants to pretend he knows some magical secret. It doesn’t explain anything and I think you know that since you already are backtracking on it when you know it doesn’t hold up.
You want to falsely claim that if we debate right and wrong, we are “chasing our tail”. That’s the common attempt by a person who knows his lies won’t hold up so he wants to try to convince everyone not to look hard at what he says and find that it is ridiculous. The good thing about science is that it is true no matter what. Your nonsense isn’t even close. Your attempt to claim that everyone’s opinion is equal is the what liars and racists want to spread in defense of their failure.
Very scary that people like are around and they drive!