Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – just another instance of Christians lying

I’ve covered John Clayton’s posts before here on this blog (just type “clayton” into the search box to the right). As always, they are based on false claims and willful ignorance.

BTW, this is post 1000 here on my blog. Yeesh.

This is a reply to the nonsense here. Here’s a bit of it to show the same old lies being told:

““[Stephen] Hawking imagines that the potential existence of other life forms in the universe undermines the traditional religious conviction that we are living in a unique, God-created planet. I find it faintly amusing that atheists often argue for the existence of extra-terrestrial intelligence beyond earth. They are only too eager to denounce the possibility that there exists a vast, intelligent being ‘out there,’ namely God, who has left his fingerprints all over his creation. Hawking’s fusillade will not shake the foundations of an intelligent faith that is based on the cumulative evidence of science, history, the biblical narrative, and personal experience.” 

An atheist must believe in naturalism, the faith that science can explain everything, and has a monopoly on truth. The fact is that in spite of quantum mechanics, cosmology, and physics, there are a vast number of things that science cannot and never will be able to explain. Why there is something instead of nothing, why morality exists, and how time and space came into existence are examples.  There also are many things that science has no answer for, such as why there is color and beauty in animals and plants, sometimes putting the life form at risk while serving no purpose but aesthetic value.”

Always nice to see these Johns, both clayton and lennox, fail as usual. 

It’s always good when Lennox simply lies, being a Christian.  He ries to claim that atheists are “inconsistent” when we accept that there could be extraterrestrial life and we dare not accept that their god could exist too.  Unfortuantely for Lennox, his god is claimed to be real and that there is evidence for it and yet, Christians can’t show that their god exists at all.  Aliens may not exist, and no one except cranks claim they definitely do.   Theists, including Christians, make the positive claim and can’t support it. 

An alien life form isn’t “a vast intelligent being out there”.  The Christian god isn’t just that either, it has definite attributes and not one Christian can show it exists at all as described.  Claiming that his imaginary friend left “fingerprints all over creation” is great, but he can’t show that those fingerprints are even there, or from his particular god. 

An atheist has concluded that reality does not contain the supernatural, and the theist can’t show that the supernatural exists at all.  The theist cannot show that any of their religions have any “truth” at all, and each claims to have a monopoly on it.  The theist has to claim “there are thigns I don’t understand, so goddidit”.  That there are things that we may never completely figure out doesn’t show that a god must exist.  The questions that theists claim can’t be answered without their god are pointless, and only are asked because of a presupposition that a god must exist.  What does it matter why something exists rather than nothing?  Why shouldn’t something exist? 

And it’s always sweet when these theists try to claim that morality can’t exist without their imaginary friend.  Morality exists thanks to humans inventing it and it being useful for human interaction.  No further explanation is needed. 

Why is there color?  The laws of physics.  Beauty is opinion and may have something to do with how symmetry indicates health.  That we don’t understand why life forms have what some humans consider “beauty” doesn’t mean there isn’t a reason. 

Unsurprisngly, since there is no “inconsistency”, the chicken little lies from these frauds fails.  Atheism doesn’t mean we don’t care for people who are ill or need help. Atheists know that if we don’t do it, no one will, including John’s imaginary friend. It’s hilarious how the Christian finds they must exaggerate their son’s plight and then has to pretend that caregivers can’t be atheists.  It’s great when Christians find that they must lie about others, you know, bearing false witness. 

That one person recommends euthanasia doesn’t mean all atheists would agree, just like how all Christians don’t agree that the disabled are hated by their god, despite what their bible literally says. 

Then we have John lying about Peter Singer, who doesn’t advocate euthanizing “all these cases”.   Singer’s view is that the least possible harm should be done and extending the suffering of severely disabled newborns causes harm.  That the “johns” here have no problem with their god killing children for the actions of others that they have no control over shows that their morals are little different than Singer’s, when they say it was fine for their god to commit genocide for the benefit of its “chosen people”.