Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – haven’t had a real Christian fail for a while

Billy Beniah Bussey made some claims on his blog. I engaged with them and as usual, the claims failed. In the past, I’ve put up some Christian claims to address them here when they are just ridiculous. This is just another one, nothing much new.

“You do a lot of typing my friend.

I won’t be dealing with everything you just typed simply because it is too much for anybody to follow.

Let’s start with the first section and again try to stay on track.

“”Christians do not agree on the essentials: who jesus is and what he wants. So the nonsense of resurrection is meaningless unless you can tell me which jesus is the supposed real one.

You try to claim that the only “true Christians” agree with you. All Christians claim that for their own version.

The calendar also has the names of roman gods and norse gods. Does that make them just as real as your god? Per your argument, yep it does. Christians have changed calendars and surprise, have no idea when their events supposedly occurred. The calendar that has BC/AD on it was invented by a monk in the 4th century.””

Greeks agree that Jesus existed and agree he was a great prophet of his day and many report him doing great acts that could not be explained this explains why your calendar has Greek and Norse gods and also concurs with the birth of Christ who marks common era.

Greeks guarded his tomb.

Christians know exactly when this happened and it is logged in over 1700 historical documents.

This is super easy to debunk.

Your claims are false and empty.

A Christian is one who believes in the death burial and resurrection of Christ; there is not a single Christian on earth to have ever existed who disagrees, and millions have died for that cause. Again super easy to debunk.
As far as what Jesus wants. He wants you to live forever and not take punishment for sin he already took for you that would just be dumb for you to do that but in the end it is your choice. This is agreed upon by every Christian alive and or dead. You cannot show me a single one that disagrees.

Jesus never said he would return within the lifetimes of those watching him. He said his kingdom would come in their lifetimes and when he died he did in fact set up his kingdom and rules over this earth today and you live under his rule.
The fact you are upset by the existence of his army in this world is evidence he is a threat to your immoral life.

The Proof is that you are not having this discussion with a Santa lover.

It is Jesus, The King of Kings that makes your skin crawl.” – Billy

And my response:

Yep, I do a lot of typing.  It takes words to explain complex subjects.  That you choose to not address what you can’t support is nothing surprising.  Unsurprisingly, it seems to only be Christians who can’t support their claims that claim to have trouble following my writing.

Happily, your attempts at gaslighting fail.  

You continue to make more basless claims.  

“Greeks agree that Jesus existed and agree he was a great prophet of his day and many report him doing great acts that could not be explained this explains why your calendar has Greek and Norse gods and also concurs with the birth of Christ who marks common era.”

You need to give names and documents when you make claims like this. Where have the “greeks” said any of this?   There aren’t Greek gods in the calendar.  They are all Roman e.g. latin terms, and Norse.  It’s also amusing since you make a declaration that somehow greeks agreeing that jesus existed explains how Norse and roman gods are in the calendar. Do explain how that works.  You have nothing to support your claims.  

Again you claim that since AD/BC are mentioned, that means your god is real.  You of course can’t answer why I shuoldn’t also believe that the roman and norse gods exist since the calendar also mentions them.  

In one gospel, Roman soldiers guarded the tomb and they came from the temple guard.  The other gospels don’t even mention them.  Nothing says they were Greek, and the Romans had conquered Judea around 63 BCE.  At that point in time (1 CE), they could have come from anywhere in the Roman Empire or have been jewish guards.  

There are no “1700 historical documents” supporting your nonsense, but do produce them. Again, what are the names of these documents?  Who wrote them?  You have not debunked anything at all, and have shown how you are ignorant and must make baseless claims.  

A Christian is indeed someone who believes in the death burial and resurrection of Christ.  Christains also can’t agree on which jesus is the right one, and not one can show that their claims are true.  Christians also have not and do not agree on what jesus was, and thus do not agree on how he died, how he resurrected, etc.  Yep, lots of christains have died for their beliefs, and many Christians have killed each other over those beliefs that they cannot agree on.  

Unsurprisngly, you haven’t “debunked” anything so far.  

Christians also can’t agree if jesus was “punished” for our sins, or just how salvation works.  Some claim that Jesus was not punished, but he made a willing sacrifice of his life for our sins as a sin offering just like the animal offerings the jews made.  Christians do not agree on “Penal Substitutionary Atonement” so your ignorance fails you again.  Christians go through all sorts of excuses to try to claim that jesus wasn’t being punished, since their bible says that sin deserves eternal punishment, and well, jesus wasn’t being eternally punished.  So they have to invent things like Jesus was “worth” more than humans, so his punishment didn’t have to be as long, or that his sacrifice was not a punishment, but him obedient to himself/his father.  You can see christain arguments on the Desiring God website and this article “If Sin’s Penalty Is Eternal, Why Isn’t Jesus Still Suffering?” by john piper; “Did god punish jesus” by Caleb Woodbridge; “Did God punish Jesus on the cross” on the premier Christianity website, etc.  

Jesus, per the bible, wants some people to live forever, not all, since jesus says he intentionally uses parables to make sure that some people can’t accept him (matthew 13).  Christians do not agree on what morals this god wants or what this god considers to be a “sin”.   So again, you all do not worship the same jesus/god.  

Then you try to claim that jesus never said he would return within the lifetimes of those watching him.  Your bible says otherwise:  
“29 ‘Immediately after the suffering of those days
the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken.
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see “the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven” with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 ‘From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he[g] is near, at the very gates. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.”  Matthew 24

If the “son of man” returns, then it is jesus returning.   Billy, have you even read your bible?  

Curious how I don’t live under your imaginary friend’s rule since christains can’t even agree on what this character wants.  If this god rules over the earth right now, then do tell why it is such a failure?   Your bible also says that satan is the current ruler of “this world”, so which bit of nonsense is supposedly the truth?  

your imaginary friend has no “army”, and why would an omnipotent god need an army?  

It’s great when christains try to lie and claim I have an “immoral life” and that’s why I don’t like their imaginary friend.  Sorry, dear, I’m just as moral, if not more, than you or any Christian.  Christians, again, can’t even agree on what morals their god wants.  
I do indeed hope you don’t love Santa.  That would be weird.  Your imaginary friend doesn’t make my skin crawl, since it doesn’t exist.  What Christians like you would do for this imaginary friend is what makes my skin crawl. 

What makes this doubly ridiculous is that Billy has this on his “about” page:

“So when we wander in thought, we should wander freely—but not alone. This is why I create this blog. I wish to wander, but I also wish to remain grounded when I share my wild thoughts. I hope that you engage with me. And if you ever hear that I have left the confines of Scripture, and that Scripture disagrees with where my mind is walking, I implore you—I beg you—please lay this information before me. This is the kind of information that moves our thoughts forward and keeps us grounded in the catalyst that is so vital to our being.

Do not stand by and watch me drag myself through a cactus.

Thank you, and I look forward to great discussions and deep conversations as we explore the depths of thought and the meaning of the world around us.”

Cactus engaged.