Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – yep, it’s really a *frapping* cult

I got this response from a christian on my facebook post that reflected my post here about mass shootings:

“I stumbled upon your question. We’ve never met but I wanted to have a chance to try to respond to your question.

I am the survivor of csa and rape and robbery at knifepoint.

While I’ve had many great things, as well, the questions haunted me. If god is the great protector, why didn’t he protect me??

Does god exist or is god a story to help fools? Does he exist and love others, but not me? If so, why?

Rebecca Davis (Untwisting the Scriptures) explained to me that the Hebrew word “protection” is not “keeping bad things from happening,” but it’s better translated “frapping.”

To frap is to tie, to bind together, so no horror can separate the two. In the bible story of a guy named Paul who it’s said was in a brutal storm at sea, he and the other sailors “frapped” themselves to parts of the ship.

This makes sense to me. God sustained me by frapping himself to me. He didn’t choose to perform miracles at that time to stop all this, but I also reflect on the many times disaster was avoided or mitigated. Were those miracles?

If god chose to swoop in and perform miracles for every person every time disaster was about to strike, would anyone have free will, would we be truly free?

Would we love god only for keeping us from harm?

If so, would I want to be loved only for what I do?

Wouldn’t I want to be loved for who I am, and not just how I benefit others?

Just Qs I ask myself“

Not going to reveal her name, but this is just horrific to me. This is what cultists tell themselves to stay in the cult.

I wrote back:
wow that’s very disturbing and evidence of how christianity is no more than abuse wrapped up in a shroud of religion. your god lets bad things happen to you to make you depend on it. Thats all you have, XXXX. You try to lie to yourself and claim that this god cares and has protected you from things that never happened to make this sound acceptable.

Your bible has no free will in it. Your god repeatedly mind controls poeple so it has an excuse for genocide and murder (Exodus 4, Joshua 11, etc). Both jesus and paul say no free will, that this god has chosen who it will allow to accept it and then damns those who had no choice.

I want to be loved for what I do which is who I am, not for being a abusive asshole who allows people to be hurt so they depend on me.

I find it curious that “frap” is indeed a real word and it comes from the French “Middle English, to strike, beat, from Anglo-French fraper” merriam-webster

Unsurprisingly, protect in Hebrew means protect in hebrew:

ronounce: naw-tsar’

Strong: H5341

Orig: a primitive root; to guard, in a good sense (to protect, maintain, obey, etc.) or a bad one (to conceal, etc.):– besieged, hidden thing, keep(-er, -ing), monument, observe, preserve(-r), subtil, watcher(-man).
1) to guard, watch, watch over, keep
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to watch, guard, keep
1a2) to preserve, guard from dangers
1a3) to keep, observe, guard with fidelity
1a4) to guard, keep secret
1a5) to be kept close, be blockaded
1a6) watchman (participle)

ronounce: shaw-mar’

Strong: H8104

Orig: a primitive root; properly, to hedge about (as with thorns), i.e. guard; generally, to protect, attend to, etc.:–beward, be circumspect, take heed (to self), keep(-er, self), mark, look narrowly, observe, preserve, regard, reserve, save (self), sure, (that lay) wait (for), watch(-man).

Use: TWOT-2414 Verb

Grk Strong: G25 G189 G191 G472 G1299 G1301 G1314 G1522 G1685 G2043 G2125 G2147 G3906 G4160 G4337 G4863 G4920 G4933 G5083 G5087 G5441 G5442

1) to keep, guard, observe, give heed
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to keep, have charge of
1a2) to keep, guard, keep watch and ward, protect, save life
1a2a) watch, watchman (participle)
1a3) to watch for, wait for
1a4) to watch, observe
1a5) to keep, retain, treasure up (in memory)
1a6) to keep (within bounds), restrain
1a7) to observe, celebrate, keep (sabbath or covenant or commands), perform (vow)
1a8) to keep, preserve, protect
1a9) to keep, reserve
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to be on one’s guard, take heed, take care, beware
1b2) to keep oneself, refrain, abstain
1b3) to be kept, be guarded
1c) (Piel) to keep, pay heed
1d) (Hithpael) to keep oneself from