Recently, Dave, the pastor from a church in England who I have addressed before, has been on a tear to insist that atheists are wrong. As usual, an atheist can’t comment on his posts and they are evidently intended on preaching to his own flock, so that they don’t know what the facts are about atheists and atheism. His latest couple of posts focus on a common point that many atheists make: that a Christian or any other theist, is an atheist to every other god claimed *but* their own. These theists, for various reasons, deny the existence of gods that other humans have no trouble believing in at all.
The discussion starts out with Dave making an interesting claim, that no one can believe in his “one true God” without this god revealing itself to that person “belief in the one true God can only come through revelation as he speaks to you, reveals his true character and causes you to see your need for him”. That certainly shoots the common, but not universal, Christian claim of free will. If I don’t believe, it’s not my fault, it’s this god who damns me to eternal torture just *because*. He claims that the revelation is in the bible, which does bring up quite a few problems; foremost that even Christians don’t agree on the true character of this god, what it wants, what it does, what parts of the bible are literal or not, and what it takes to be “saved”. I do appreciate him in giving a pair of instances where the fact that Christians don’t agree and even this god can’t get them to agree is shown so well.
The pastor doesn’t seem to get the intent of pointing out that he only believes in one god and that he is atheist to ever other one. This line of argument is to point out that, despite the fact that all theists have the same evidence for their god: none, they all insist that theirs exists and no others do. When they claim that a non-believer in their god can’t definitively prove that their god doesn’t exist then so it *must* exist, they forget that this would mean that they can’t definitively prove other gods don’t exist either, and thus we have a bunch of theists who are stuck with believing in a lot of gods. Claiming that they have a “one true god” is no more meaningful than the next theist claiming exactly the same thing.
Dave also claims that “the atheist would not want us to put his “no god” option alongside the 3000 “god” options for comparison and with good reason” which is not true at all. It would be a bit silly since then one would be trying mightly to compare apples to oranges. My conclusion that there are no gods, including the Christian one, is based on the fact that there has never been any evidence for any of the gods claimed to exist, and no evidence of any of the essential events that define these religions. I can show that entirely different events happened rather than what is claimed in the myths of religions. The claim of “potential truth” is nothing more than the Russell’s Teapot argument. There is potentially a teapot in orbit around Jupiter, but that potential, aka probability is very very small. When one adds more and more detail about the teapot, that it is an Edwardian silver tea set, complete with tea tray, made by Oneida, and it has three sugar lumps in the sugar bowl, the probabiilty gets smaller and smaller. In that the gods of most, if not all, religions have just as much detail, and those details can be examined and tested, the probability of those gods goes down too, until, this god becomes some vague critter, living under a rock on Ceti Alpha 5, and nothing like the gods that humans claim to worship. Continue reading “Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – the flying spaghetti monster and a Christian walk into a bar…”