Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – Another TrueChristian(tm) steps up, Part 3

(Woody is at it again. Rather than have this as another comment, here is my response to Woody’s latest series of baseless claims in an easier to read format. I go into evolutionary theory a bit more in this post. You can read his whole post at the link above but the choicer bits are here in italics.)

“Darwin PREDICTED that they would find EVIDENCE of his theory in the future, this theory was based on the 10th of a millimeter difference between the thickness of finch beeks. That is NOT evidence as one college textbook author calls it to day, but rather something that spured him to think a cirtian way.
I know that relogions in general stary with presuppositions, how ever EVOLUTION IS RELOGIOUS because it starts on an idea as being fact and then trys to justify it with “evidences”, all of which I have ever seen have been disprooved years ago.Darwin PREDICTED that they would find EVIDENCE of his theory in the future, this theory was based on the 10th of a millimeter difference between the thickness of finch beeks. That is NOT evidence as one college textbook author calls it to day, but rather something that spured him to think a cirtian way.
I know that relogions in general stary with presuppositions, how ever EVOLUTION IS RELOGIOUS because it starts on an idea as being fact and then trys to justify it with “evidences”, all of which I have ever seen have been disprooved years ago.”

Darwin's_finches_by_GouldYes, Woody, Darwin predicted that people would find evidence of evolutionary theory in the future and suprise! they did.  Glad to see you lying about the finch beaks too.  Hilarious that you find you must lie and so badly.  Much more than a tenth of a millimeter.  And again, you show that you willfully ignore my explantion of the scientific method.  Oh and “one college book author”.  Poor Woody, can’t supply a name?  More appeals to authority and too inept to mention the authority.
The theory of evolution was built on observation, not an idea.  The observation is looking at the birds. The hypothesis is  “why are the birds so different? They must evolve, their attributes, if beneficial are passed down preferentially in a given environment”   and then looking for evidence to confirm the hypothesis. See, evidence is needed and if there were evidence that pointed in another direction, like creationism, then the theory would fail.  Theories are not built on faith in something that has no evidence. The evidence for evolutionary theory have not been disprooved “years ago”.
I do love to see you yet again try to use weasel words.  You demand “SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE” for evolutionary theory and you only do that so you can claim any evidence given is not substantial “enough”. That allows you to be a coward, Woody.  Of course, you go on to do the usual creationist antics: attacking long superseded information, Piltdown man (guess who found out it was a fake? Religious people? Nope, it was scientists).  And dear, eohippus is quite real. Please do show how it isn’t evidence of evolutionary theory. And dear, in your frenzy, you lie about Peking Man. It isn’t a fraud.  IF you think it is, again, show evidence.  Otherwise, you are just lying more.  Evidence for evolution being true are: atavaisms, things animals still have but no longer need, like appendixes in humans; transitional forms, showing the change over time of a species to the environment; genetic evidence that shows we have a common ancestor, etc. If you don’t think these are valid, then tell me why, again in your own words.
No, evolutionary theory doesn’t say everything came from chaos.  It says that living beings adapt to environmental pressures by passing down useful traits.  As usual, you try to conflate abiogenesis with evolutionary theory. And even abiogenesis does not say things come from chaos.  This is not a Dr. Seussian universe where anything can happen at any time. There are physical laws that govern it and abiogenesis is restricted by those. Where those laws came from is a matter of debate. Theists who accept evolutionary theory think the laws came from their god.  Non-theists have various hypotheses currently under investigation. That’s called cosmology.
Woody, you claim that “Very vague use of evolution linking into everything.” which is hilarious since I gave examples. Antibiotics, the breeding of modern foodstuffs are based on evolutionary theory which says that living things have attributes and those get selectively passed down on how well they help the living thing live in the environment. Humans create an enviroment where they are the selector.  The problem is that you haven’t a clue what evolutionary theory actually is and depend on a strawman that you have ginned up.

“I’ll tell you of a historical geology professor that has only faith in physisists when they say that the “big bang” occured contrary to the conservation of angular momentum, Boyle’s Gas Law, etc.” 

Oh please do. Tell me exactly how Boyle’s law (the absolute pressure and volume of a given mass of confined gas are inversely proportional, if the temperature remains unchanged within a closed system) impacts the BBT.

Your pastor insists that he knows that the “rapture” is coming in the “near future”. That’s a prophecy, Woody. And I do love how you aren’t concerned with Hovind claiming degrees from a unaccredited school.  I wonder, is your college accredited or not? Why did you choose one or the other?  No, saying a school is accredited doesn’t mean those who go there are smart.  It means that they are held to a standard.  And yes, accreditation has *everything* with the quality of education received. You’d best realize this before you waste your money and have a potential employer laugh in your face. It’s also cute that you want to call people marxists too.  Again evidence that they are? Where is this intent to cause a revolution?  But why I asking, you haven’t a clue what Marxism is either.

And of course, the poor Christian now has no time to answer actual questions.  Yep, Woody, you came here all sure that you had the answers and that everyone would bow to your wisdom and intellect.  When you found that was not the case and there was no external validation to be had, you want to run. You have claimed that you know that the bible is the truth. And now you say “I know I can’t prove the bible” was from your god. So, at least you’ve admitted that.  It would be nice if you would correct your website to say the same thing. But I know you won’t. I’ve already shown it was not with the ridiculousness of the compilation. And again, no evidence for this god doing anything, much less the bible. You have not addressed “every error”, and neither have your supposed “authorities”, so that’s a lie too. Nice try to avoid having to answer questions bu declaring them answered without evidence is again nonsense.

You do claim the KJV was translated from “originals” but now you try to claim you have not.  Right here:

“If the Bible is God’s book (as all Christians accept) what it says is true. If it says it cannot have errors and that it is preserved from the pure original (as THE PEOPLE I ADDRESS it to [those who believe it when they want and say it has a conflation, interplation, etc., when it sutes them]) then anyone’s LOGIC, accepting these truths accept it thusly. The Bible has never been shown to be wrong!”

It’s sad when you think you can lie in a written preserved medium.  And golly, Woody, I’ve never asked for a “photo” of anything.  I’ve asked for evidence. Nice strawman argument.  All you’ve got left isn’t it? And I’m not the only one asking for evidence so again, another lie from you to excuse your inablity to provide one shred of evidence.

A quick lesson, if there are no capabilities for caps for an post, the standard english usage is to use asterisks to denote emphasis around a word. Using caps is a long known bit of nonsense on the internet for trying to act like a bully and it’s considered “shouting”.

And what “credentials” would you like to see?  Let me guess, anything I show you would be rather like President Obama’s birth certificate, open for any damn fool to say it was a fake, again with no evidence. As for the codes, please do show me a prediction it has made that has come true and that was revealed prior to the event. Certainly you have one, don’t you?  We can start with that as a one thing.

Post script: added an image.  Might add more (02/01/2013)

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5 responses to “Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – Another TrueChristian(tm) steps up, Part 3

  1. This is the written equivalent of watching a once proud (albeit woefully under equipped) army be encircled then annihilated on the field of battle. Club, put down the mallet, Woody’s dead 😉

    • Beating a dead horse is my specialty. 🙂 That’s a little facetious but true in a way. I do find that no matter how tedious, as long as the theist still tries, they deserve, and need, to be confronted.

      • Hey, I’m with you 100%. Never forget, just 300-400 years ago atheists were killed by theists for their freethought. They should count their lucky stars we engage them today only with logic and rationalism.

  2. The Bible has never been shown to be wrong!

    If he believes this to be true, he must reside in a bubble without access to scientific information. The bible has been shown to erroneous in so many instances that to write them here would change this from a comment to a post.
    In Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day is there anyone alive today who would think this to be true? or that a man survived in a fish for three days?

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