Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – reblogging a Christian bit of nonsense: The meaning of meaninglessness

This post came to my attention when Pastor Mike liked this post of mine.  It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense that a Christian would like it, but I often encounter Christians who seem a little confused in what they profess to believe and what they actually believe.

Nothing like watching a TrueChristian(tm) do his best to bear false witness against others and have no clue about cause and effect. It’s a shame that Pastor Mike does claim to have all of the answers and claim that only his version of Christianity is the right one, with not one more shred of evidence than those who he decries. I am glad that he does admit that atheists wield logical arguments against his claims.  Alas, Pastor Mike falsely believes that atheists are all nihilists and in his ignorance, he trips himself up.

No wonder that Christianity is losing members when a Christian leader demonstrates that intentional dishonesty and ignorance are what he depends on.  You can see how Pastor Mike failed earlier on this blog.

Update – 4/13  One also has to wonder about Pastor Mike when he likes my post on his blog which is the following: “well, Pastor Mike, glad that a pastor agrees with my post here: https://clubschadenfreude.com/2018/02/18/not-so-polite-dinner-conversation-what-makes-christianity-christianity/  Always curious that a Christian would agree with what I’ve said, I wonder what your flock would say.  As for your claims “You have kicked God out of schools, so kids are turning to insanity to imbue their lives with some semblance of the significance you robbed out of life.”  For what is supposedly an omnipotent being, this poor god can be stopped by a human, per Pastor Mike.  Not much of a god, is it?  It’s nice to see you make such claims, when this god can’t even protect its own churches and keep its priests and pastors from abusing children, embezzling, etc right where it supposedly can get in where it wants.  As usual, you are so desperate to bear false witness against others, you dont’ think your claims through.”    What kind of fractured thinking goes with this? I do wonder if Pastor Mike thinks he is being sarcastic.

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imagesActually, snorting condoms makes perfect sense. As does chewing Tide pods. Along with cutting.

After all, if there is no meaning to life, then why not engage in something meaningless? If an attempt to find value shows your stupidity, then all we have left is getting attention through stupid means.

Atheists will bristle at my mockery, but their insistence that morality is an evolved feature — along humanity’s unusual drive for significance — is absurd. There is no evolutionary sense of morality or man’s quest for importance. Deprive man of God, and you get teens snorting condoms.

images-1And please, my dear atheist friends, don’t tell the gunman plowing down schoolchildren that he is inherently or obviously wrong. What is obvious is that there are no morals, no values, nothing. That is all atheism has to offer: nothing. There is no noble sense to humanity, no purpose, no beauty, no humanity…

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38 thoughts on “Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – reblogging a Christian bit of nonsense: The meaning of meaninglessness

  1. I notice you have changed your theme. This one is quite easy on the eyes.

    Mike should read his bible. Somewhere in it, he will meet a book where the author says just that; all is meaningless.

    1. that’s a great article from the guardian. I agree. In the past, pastor mike hasn’t been so strident and so inept at his arguments. I have to wonder if he is this way since his magical financial promises aren’t working out and he is afraid since disbelief is hurting his bottom line. If no one needs a pastor or a church to be “saved” or more prosaically, happy, then he’s out of a job.

  2. As usual, their facts never align with what we observe. They sell fear. That is their best seller to keep their bubble intact en masse. The truth is this is the safest time in recorded history to be alive. And it’s not because of the churches. Funny thing, since leaving religion and faith behind, life has been better than it ever was, and as man’s morality continues to trump the archaic misery of the Bible, things will only get better. Many people live very productive and happy lives outside of religion, and suddenly life has real meaning for me. They’ll never admit it, but their wrong, and the churches have brought more misery to the world than any other.

    1. I agree. as I noted to Pink above, it seems that the pastor is afraid of losing his livelihood. Humans are discovering that they don’t need to support someone who peddles fear and ignorance because they need “saved”.

  3. Interesting. Lewis did things similarly. Pastor Mike did not write that for any atheist to learn or to recant, or even to read. Rather, it is intended to shackle another chain of fear to some gullible believer. It is also interesting, how in the discussions about atheist morality, all we need do is point to the evidence. Oh dear me, there is that horrible word again: proof.

  4. as Mak noted in one of his recent posts, the liking of a blog post is a curious thing. I now have Pastor Mike also liking the comment I made on his blog “”well, Pastor Mike, glad that a pastor agrees with my post here: https://clubschadenfreude.com/2018/02/18/not-so-polite-dinner-conversation-what-makes-christianity-christianity/ Always curious that a Christian would agree with what I’ve said, I wonder what your flock would say. As for your claims “You have kicked God out of schools, so kids are turning to insanity to imbue their lives with some semblance of the significance you robbed out of life.” For what is supposedly an omnipotent being, this poor god can be stopped by a human, per Pastor Mike. Not much of a god, is it? It’s nice to see you make such claims, when this god can’t even protect its own churches and keep its priests and pastors from abusing children, embezzling, etc right where it supposedly can get in where it wants. As usual, you are so desperate to bear false witness against others, you dont’ think your claims through.”

    Nice that they agree with me but it doesn’t make much sense with other things that they say.

    1. of course, it shows just how many false things a Christian will say and does a great job of supporting my position that religion is far more harmful than it is helpful. It shows you don’t believe your bible’s words any more than I do. You might want to check out Romans 3.

      1. Hi Vel, Thanks for writing. May I humbly suggest you watch the movie Apostle Paul? Maybe you would like to write about it. Despite its many defects as a movie, it does underscore some of the positives that can be found in Christianity. We Christians were tortured and persecuted.

      2. Lots of people have been tortured and persecuted. Christians have done much of that to others. If you think there are positives to Christianity, please tell me about them. I have no interest in watching a movie about your religion that even you find defective. I wonder, how much of it ignores the contradictions between Acts and the claims of Paul, much like the The Passion of the Christ did amongst the gospels? You also might want to read up on the actual Roman persecutions, rather than the myths Christians tell each other: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Roman_Empire

        You also may want to consider what positives that Christianity has that are solely Christian. Why is it that Christians are no better off nor no better in conduct than others? Most humans and most religions are quite decent and humane. There is little, if anything, unique to Christianity to make it any better than any other religion or civilized behavior that is common in secular societies.

        now reading about the claims about Luke and Paul, it seems that Christians again don’t agree on what actually took place. Was Paul in prison or not? Some think he was just in “house arrest”, which hardly works with the claims of torture and persecution, with Luke visiting him. Indeed, the last bit of Acts has this “He lived there two whole years at his own expense and welcomed all who came to him, 31 proclaiming the kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ with all boldness and without hindrance.”

        Where is the persecution and torture? That movie certainly seems to be playing fast and loose with the biblical claims since it seems to be claiming this Paul was imprisoned in Mamertine Prison.

      3. I didn’t make the claim, Mike. You made this claim “Despite its many defects as a movie, it does underscore some of the positives that can be found in Christianity.” I’ve asked you to support it. Will you?

      4. Are there any hospitals in your town that were founded by Christians? Any schools? Any YMCAs? Any soup kitchens and rehab organizations, any post-jail programs run by Christians? I ran a church in Guatemala for 16 years. We helped some kids get out of gangs. We founded a school making a high quality education available to people of poor resources. I’m not sure why you are asking me to back up the “claim” that Christianity has done a lot of good throughout history.

      5. yep, there are and all of those things can be done without a suppsoed god that commands genocide, hatred, etc. And funny how my local mission has to beg for funds from the entire community when there are ten pages in my local yellow pages of churches. I am not asking you to show how Christianity has done good. I’m asking if there is anything unique about Christianity that is good. It seems you are dodging my question, Mike. Why would that be?

      6. the only humane and empathic things in the bible are also elsewhere, and many from earlier, without the genocide, the messiah commanding believers to bring non-believers before them and murder them, the claim that some people are damned without any action on their part (Romans 9), and the ridiculous claims in Revelation with this god working with its supposed evil archenemy with the intention of corrupting more people *after* all unbelievers are murdered and Jesus Christ ruling over believers for an “eon”.

      7. and your claims form your blog “You have kicked God out of schools, so kids are turning to insanity to imbue their lives with some semblance of the significance you robbed out of life.” and yuo can’t explain how this god of your, suposedly ominpotent can’t get “in” somewhere, or why it fails to protect those who are in places you claim this god can get into.

        Not that I expect you to, I’m very used to Christians making false claims and then running away when called to support those claims, as if they can pretend no one knows that they are failures. This is why I find it very important to show with evidence just how deceitful and cowardly some Christians are. It shows that Christianity has no lock on morality or on making people better.

      8. Well Vel, I was going to let all that pass because I don’t want to be pulled into a war of words, of picking apart every phrase, to trying to trap each other into logical arguments. What I have said, I stand behind. I believe it to be correct. I embrace your counter opinion and rejoice in your right to voice your opinion even on my blog. I like discussion but I prefer some discussions to others. I’m lazy. I’ve seen people get into a nit-picking back and forth that seems to me to be a bit unproductive. So I was just going to respect your opinions, leave your comments on my blog, but not respond. Cheers!

      9. I’m sure you don’t want to be pulled into a “war of words” aka having to support your claims. It’s no surprise at all that you will make a false claim about atheists and bear false witness against them. I’ve known that from the start. You claim you stand behind your claims, but funny how you refuse to support them when called on it. It does seem you think you can lie about others with no ramifications, which does call into question your belief in your holy book.

        I know you are lazy too. Anything to avoid having to support what you’ve said and retain your willful ignorance. What does it say about a religion that depends on ignorance and baseless accusations against others, Mike?

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