Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – another “clever” Christian

Another “clever” Christian with their lists of questions.  They never acknowledge the answers and just run away. Oh well, it’s an easy post to show how little so many Christians think.

  1. Why is there something rather than nothing?

We don’t completely know yet. Still no evidence for this god or any gods.

  1. Is there any evidence that suggests the universe is eternal?

We don’t know what came before the BBT.  There are some hypotheses.  Again, we don’t know yet, and still no evidence for a god.

  1. If not, why do Atheists hold onto the idea and say you have debunked the Kalam Cosmological Argument?

Because we have.   The cosmological argument fails because it depends on an a priori assumption that can’t be shown to exist.  The laws of physics have as much chance of being an eternal cause as a god, and probably more hance since Christians and theist can’t agree on a god.

  1. If so, why do the vast majority of scientists reject this idea?

They don’t.

  1. Why is the universe so fine-tuned?

It isn’t.  When 99.999…% of the universe is deadly to humans, there’s nothing “fine” about it.  If you want to claim a god did this, what an incompetent god.

  1. If your answer is the multiverse, why is there no evidence for that theory?

I don’t and we don’t have any evidence *yet*.    Poor god of the gaps argument.

  1. Is it possible that there is no natural explanation for the origin of life?

Evidence please.  But sure, anyone of a billion gods can be responsible.  Show that it was your version of the Chrsitain god.

  1. Where does consciousness come from?

We’re not sure yet.   Seems to be from the brain since injury to the brain or an imbalance of brain chemicals changes it.

  1. Do you lack a belief that God exists or would you say that God does not exist?

The gods defined by humans don’t exist.  There is no evidence for them.  Could there be some vague thing?  Maybe, but that’s not the god you worship is it?

  1. Do you lack a belief that Zeus/God exists, or do you believe that Zeus does/God not exist?

See above.

  1. If you just lack a belief that Zeus/God exists, why are you centuries behind the rest of the world who say that Zeus doesn’t exist?

See above.

  1. Do you act according to what you believe, or what you just lack a belief in?

Yes to both.

  1. What evidence is there that Atheism corresponds with reality?

Evidence that theists claims never happened and that other things entirely did.

  1. Is Atheism a worldview?

No.  You do need to get a dictionary, don’t you?

  1. If not, what is your worldview?

Pretty close to Epicureanism.

  1. What would convince you that God exists?

Evidence.  And hmmm, which god since theists can’t agree, not even among themselves?   How about Christians being able to do what the bible says, that every baptized believer in Christ as savior can do miracles like Christ (Mark 16, James 5)?

  1. Are you willing to follow the evidence, even if it leads to a different understanding of how the universe works?

Yep.

  1. If Jesus rose from the dead, would you become a Christian?

Nope, since Christianity is based on a disgusting god.  I might believe that the entity exists.

  1. If you wouldn’t become a Christian, why would you ever accept that he rose from the dead?

Evidence.

  1. Why do Atheists keep insisting faith is blind trust, when that’s not what Christians or the Bible say?

That’s what the bible says:  “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.” – Hebrews 11  Why did you try to lie about that?

  1. Why do you want material evidence for an immaterial God?

Per Christians and the bible, this god has interacted with the physical on earth.  Where’s the evidence of this?

  1. Is there a purpose to life?

Yep, we each give our own life purpose.

  1. If there is, by what standard do you determine life has purpose?

My own.  No god needed, any of them.

  1. If not, what is the point of listening to this video?

Sorry didn’t see a video to watch.

  1. Where does morality come from?

Humans.  Theists can’t agree on what morals their god/s want.   They also change their morals as humans advance, insisting that they have a “new” interpretation of the same old nonsense.

  1. How do you determine what is right and what is wrong?

Based on myself and what makes civilization work.

  1. When a lion kills a cub from another pride because that’s what natural selection has raised it to do, is that morally acceptable?

For a lion it is.

  1. If evolution has put a sense of morality into us to help us survive, what makes our actions any better than any other animals actions?

They aren’t.  Again, theists don’t agree on morality so claims of an objective morality are just false claims.

  1. Is it morally acceptable for you kill a toddler because you can no longer financially support it?

Nope, but that is what makes our civilization work.

  1. Is it morally acceptable to kill a fetus in the womb because you couldn’t financially support it?

Yep, since a fetus isn’t a child.  Thanks for indicating you know the difference.

  1. Is it morally acceptable to kill a baby after it has been born?

Nope, unless it can’t live without pain and misery.   Anyone who wants to prolong pain is a monster.  Do you agree?

  1. How can you morally differentiate between a baby in the womb at 6 months and a baby born prematurely at 6 months?

You need a biology book too.  A fetus in the womb at six months has a chance thanks to modern medicine and would be treated exactly like the premature birth.  But nice try with the lies.

  1. Who was Jesus?

Perhaps a real person who was deluded.   However, this character is not the son of God, the one you claim to worship.  They aren’t the same being.  “Close enough” only counts for horseshoes and hand grenades.

  1. Why did his disciples die saying that he rose from the dead?

Because they wanted it to be true, however there isn’t much evidence for the apostles at all and we only have unknown authors writing decades after the supposed events, which we have no evidence for.  Why did the members of Heaven’s Gate say that they would be taken up by aliens and cut their genitalia off?

  1. Why does the Bible keep lining up with archaeology?

It doesn’t, but nice try with a lie.   None of the essential events of the bible have ever been supported by archaeological evidence.  No flood, no exodus, no sudden change in language, no fabulous palaces and temples, no battles of hundreds of thousands, no major earthquake/day darkening/dead wandering around Jerusalem on one certain day.

  1. Why do the three bloodiest regimes in History, (Mao’s China, Nazi Germany, and Stalin’s Russia) come from Atheistic ideas?

They don’t.   Hitler wrote voluminously about how he is following god’s will in persecuting the Jews in Mein Kampf.  Mao was acting like a megalomaniac as was Stalin.  That was the cause of their blood regimes.  Genocide isn’t an atheist idea, but we can sure see it is a theist one from the bible.

234 thoughts on “Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – another “clever” Christian

  1. Good answers. The apologists just fail so hard at being clever.

    I like Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s answer to why there is something rather than nothing (paraphrasing): “What makes you think there’s something? The universe is really big, and mostly not full of anything, so when you average it out, it’s really super close to nothing.”

    Another answer I like is that we don’t know that there was ever “nothing”. Maybe the condition of there being “nothing” is unstable and will always decay into “something”.

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    1. You mean the atheist tries reeeeally hard (to their own detriment) at being clever? Oh! I thought I misread you, that’s exactly what you meant. Atheists have no logic whatsoever, they know nothing, believe in nothing, and make up things to suit their false “science” and “theories”. We Christians have truth and you hate that. Atheists are foolish, just like the bible says. Trust in Christ for everlasting life, or you will perish and spend eternity in hell. You can spend your life denying it, but it won’t change the fact.

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      1. well, this is an old post I found in the spam filter.

        Poor “whatsoever” has to make more baseless claims and has to lie about having some “truth” in the god and jesus he’s invented for himself.

        still no evidence for his claims. just childish sadistic fantasies that he is frustrated by.

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      2. Wow, lets see. In just one comment you include insults, threats, failed attempts at mind-reading, and many unsupported claims without one shred of evidence. You’ve just provided a really good example of why people should reject religious claims. If you were attempting to bring anybody back to your religion, you have only succeeded in pushing them away all the harder. You’re doing our job for us. Thanks!

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      3. If you never turn to Christ and you end up in hell, that’s your own decision and your own fault. Try to blame others all you want, but I’m not responsible for your soul and where it ends up after you die, neither am I “trying to bring you to my religion”. I’m simply speaking the truth, something you are blind to. I speak truth because truth lives inside of me. I’m sorry if you don’t like it and are offended by it. Anyways, trust in Christ for eternal life and you will never perish 🙂 if you don’t, there’s no one to blame but yourself.

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      4. HAHAHA! Threats of hell mean nothing to atheists because like so many other things drawn from that several thousand year old book written by a variety of unknown (but “named”) authors, there is NO evidence of its existence.

        Stop taking other people’s words for things and do the research. There are a myriad of doctrines on the topic … and most of them are wrong.

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      5. Hi Nan – Question if you don’t believe in the electric chair and you’re sentenced to die would the electric chair not exist?

        Do some research into what true Christianity is because I can tell you for certain, it’s not religion because religion saves no one. Only Jesus saves and if you don’t come to Him for eternal life then you will perish and we don’t want that for you.

        Jesus said:

        John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

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      6. Electric chair??? Poor analogy. Try again.

        Did I mention religion?

        I know all about what your Jesus said. Been there, done that … and lost interest. So many other things in this life are far more fulfilling.

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      7. Biblical is evidence, prove that it’s not.

        Not only that between you atheists you all contradict one another, your friend clubschadenfreude aka: cat lady quotes a biblical scripture Exodus and Deut. Meanwhile, you all claim you don’t believe but yet quote the bible?

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      8. You misunderstand.
        The verse is evidence of the writer making a claim.
        I am asking for you to demonstrate the veracity of that claim.
        For example: The bible claims there was a global flood and one incestuous family were the sole survivors and future progenitors of the human race.

        However, evidence tells us this is a false claim.
        So if you wish to make a claim then the onus is on you to demonstrate the veracity of that claim.
        It is called the burden of proof.

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      9. Biblical is an adjective. It isn’t evidence. Neither is the bible. We have no evidence of any of the essential events of the bible. What we have is evidence that things went on as usual, no divine magic, in the countries around the eastern Mediterranean. No magic plagues, but the egyptian kingdom doing what it always did. No one noticing that the Egytpian army completely vanished, but the egyptian army doing what it always did. No one noticed a major earthquake, the sky darkening and dead Jews wandering around a Roman occupied Jerusalem. Just the regular things that any 1 century city would have going on. Buying, selling, no one noticing a guy wandering around with a roman legion’s worth of men following him around.

        And it’s a shame that Christians can’t even put a date on any of the supposed events in the bible.

        Unless you want to agree that the qu’ran is evidence too? Do you?

        I can quote the bible, the qu’ran, the Vedas etc. You can do and surprise you don’t need to believe in them to quote them.

        How silly you are, WTAT. Do you think that your bible is magical and keeps people from quoting if if they don’t believe in its bullshit?

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      10. @ TWAT

        Amazing … but somewhat typical. Here on Club’s site ( and, I’ll venture, others hosted by non-believers) you have free reign to spew forth your apologist drivel to your heart’s content so I am wondering is there a particular reason you have decided to behave like a cowardly little shit and block my comments?

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      11. like most Christians, WTAT tries to claim that he has some big bad god supporting him. However, when it gets down to it, WTAT is a coward. He knows he has nothing and runs away, acknowledging that his god is imaginary.

        a rather good rearranging of the letters 🙂

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      12. ” 4 Know that all lives are mine; the life of the parent as well as the life of the child is mine: it is only the person who sins that shall die.”

        and all of the contradictions to that nonsense:

        “I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.” – Exodus 20

        “The Lord passed before him, and proclaimed,

        “The Lord, the Lord,a God merciful and gracious,slow to anger,and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness,7 keeping steadfast love for the thousandth generation,[b]forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin,yet by no means clearing the guilty,but visiting the iniquity of the parents upon the children and the children’s children,to the third and the fourth generation.”” – Exodus 34

        “15 But if you will not obey the Lord your God by diligently observing all his commandments and decrees, which I am commanding you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you: 16 Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.17 Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl.18 Cursed shall be the fruit of your womb, the fruit of your ground, the increase of your cattle and the issue of your flock.” – Deut 34

        as usual, the bible is rife with contradictions.

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      13. I love that you’re quoting scriptures do you know the context of those scriptures quoted? Do you know why the LORD said He will be merciful and forgive iniquities?

        Exodus 20 Do you know why the LORD said He’s a jealous God? It’s because He doesn’t share His glory with false gods/idols. That’s what atheism is: idolatry. You’re trying to be your own god. But there’s only one God and that’s the Lord Jesus Christ.

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      14. Yep, I know the context. You, unsurprisingly don’t but you do try so very hard to make nonsense up again.

        it’s always sad and sickening that someone like WTAT thinks that it is “merciful” to punish someone for someone else’s actions. Golly, WTAT, would you volunteer to be punished for something someone else has done? I’m guessing not.

        Nice try to ignore the contradictions of your god’s claims. And it’s hilarious to see you try to make up nonsense about atheism. You realy have no idea what atheism is about, do you, WTAT? Nope not my own god. Gods are very stupid things.

        Still waiting for evidence for your version of your god, WTAT. You have nothing.

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      15. Ahhhh yes. The eternal refrain from those who have been “washed in the blood” … maybe you were never saved.

        Since you have no direct knowledge of my experiences … and you are most definitely not “God” to have witnessed them … your comment reeks of judgment which, if you have forgotten, your Jesus cautioned against.

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      16. Hello just wanted to reply you said: “no direct knowledge of my experiences”. I don’t need to have direct knowledge of all your experiences to you don’t believe in God.

        As for “judgment” actually, Christians are called to judge we just cannot judge hypocritically.

        1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

        John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

        Last but not least there’s a book called “Judges” in the bible. Love to hear your thoughts. God bless.

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      17. thanks for that bit in John. I had forgotten that JC tells a little lie there. “8 Go to the festival yourselves. I am not going to this festival, for my time has not yet fully come.” 9 After saying this, he remained in Galilee.10 But after his brothers had gone to the festival, then he also went, not publicly but as it were in secret”

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      18. Once again you do greatly err! Jesus Christ never lied because He didn’t say He was never going, He just didn’t go at that moment.

        1 Peter 2:22-25 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that judgeth righteously: Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

        See the Lord Jesus died for the sins of the world but you need to place your trust in Him. You need to humble yourself under the mighty hand of God and He will lift you up in due time.

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      19. wow, I do love how WTAT has to try to lie for his savior who lies.

        This is what the bible says ““Leave here and go to Judea so that your disciples also may see the works you are doing; 4 for no one who wants[c] to be widely known acts in secret. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.” 5 (For not even his brothers believed in him.) 6 Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come, but your time is always here. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify against it that its works are evil. 8 Go to the festival yourselves. I am not going to this festival, for my time has not yet fully come.” 9 After saying this, he remained in Galilee.
        10 But after his brothers had gone to the festival, then he also went, not publicly but as it were in secret. 11 The Jews were looking for him at the festival and saying, “Where is he?” 12 And there was considerable complaining about him among the crowds. While some were saying, “He is a good man,” others were saying, “No, he is deceiving the crowd.” 13 Yet no one would speak openly about him for fear of the Jews.”

        If I say I’m not going to the fair, that doesn’t mean “I’m going to go later”.

        Why believe in a savior when its followers fail like this?

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      20. Nope, don’t live on wordpress at all. But nice try to again try to cast aspersions. The context does have “my time has not come”. Again, we have JC saying this:

        ” 6 Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come, but your time is always here. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify against it that its works are evil. 8 Go to the festival yourselves. I am not going to this festival, for my time has not yet fully come.” 9 After saying this, he remained in Galilee.”

        0 But after his brothers had gone to the festival, then he also went, not publicly but as it were in secret.”

        So, if you invited me to the movies tonight, and I said I wasn’t going to the movies tonight and then I snuck into the movies tonight, was I lying to you?

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      21. as usual, WTAT tries to claim his Christianity is the only true one. He has no evidence for this. He tries to claim that there is a soul. There is no evidence for that. He tries to make believe he doesn’t follow a religion since his fellow Christians have shat all over that word by their actions and ineffectiveness. He has to believe he’s special.

        What he wants is external validation, that even the atheists agree with him. That won’t happen.

        WTAT tries to lie about what his bible says when he claims that people can only “come” to this religion when the bible says that this god only allows certain people to accept it, no “coming” needed.

        That Christians agree that hell is okay shows that they do want it to happen to others. Any excuses offered are just one more version of “I was just following orders”.

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      22. You know, when someone shows up on an atheist blog as desperate to convert the heathens as you apparently are, often it’s not the heathens they are trying to convince. Could it be that you are trying to convince yourself? Are you here to shore up your own flagging faith in your invisible friend? I’ve seen this happen before, one last attempt to hang on to faith before admitting that it’s time to let go of certainty.

        It’s OK to question. It’s OK to stop preaching for a while and just listen and learn new things instead. It’s OK to investigate what you believe and why. It’s OK to learn about stuff your church says not to learn about. Any belief worth believing in will survive a good hard prodding. If you never investigate for yourself, you will spend your life just parroting what you were told you were supposed to believe.

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      23. Hi lady with an eye patch. God saved a sinner like me, He can do the same for you. I can’t “convert” anyone it’s God who converts the sinner. I’m completely convinced that the Lord Jesus is LORD of all and that you’ll have to stand before Him one day when you die (hopefully not in your sins). And you’ll have to give an account.

        2 Corinthians 5:10-11 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

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      24. Well done, good parroting. Here, have a cracker.

        If you have some original thoughts of your own, we could have a conversation. Haven’t heard any of those from you yet.

        (p.s. Your book isn’t magic. Quoting from it does not impress ex-believers.)

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      25. Oh I agree the bible is not a magical book, actually the bible condemns magic. Speaking of birds here’s a scripture you may like.

        Revelation 19:17-21 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all [men, both] free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

        Please notice the fowls (birds) were called to get ready to dine on the flesh of those who were enemies of God. The beast and false prophet were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is called the second death!

        Revelation 20:11-15 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

        Please note again, the Great White Throne are for all unbelievers such as atheists and others who reject the Gospel. If you find yourself in front of this throne you can forget about getting a second chance. It won’t happen! This is why it’s so important for you to be saved from your sins. Make sure you’re written in the Lambs book of Life!

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      26. Well, again we see that WTAT has no idea what’s actually in the bible. Moses and the pharoah’s magicians did the same magic.

        Yep, I do love Revelation because it shows just how ridiculous the bible is. We have in Revelation where WTAT’s god works with Satan and allows satan to corrupt Christians after this god kills everyone else.

        What a very stupid god. OF course, poor god has to depend on Satan to make its plan come true too, since no blood sacrifice/murder by torture would have happened and thus no salvation from a whiny god who caused the problem in the first place by either being unable to keep satan out of the garden or intentionally allowing it in. Ooopsie!

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      27. Can you please tell me what church you went to in the past. Because I never want to go there! You have no bible understanding what so ever. You know why that is? Because you never received the Comforter, do you know the Comforter?

        Additionally, you’re blaspheming saying God is working with satan. Please learn the truth before you speak on the bible without any understanding.

        John 8:31-32 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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      28. Aw, yet more attacks of a Christian on other Christians.

        YOu also have a lovely tendency to simply lie and try to claim that no one but you has any “bible understanding”. Of course, that’s what all christians claim about each other and again, none of you can do what the bible promises. You are all fakes.

        “The Comforter”? Sounds like a wonderful superhero name. Sigh. The comforter is the nonsense that some christians claims as the Holy Spirit. They have to claim that only they get this “comforter” to feel special and to claim that they and only they “really” know what this god wants. No evidence of this at all. Since you all claim it, we’re back to how this claim shows that you all make up what you believe, no one sources since you contradict each other about what “the comforter” tells you.

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      29. No attacks just truth. If a person says “they believe in God but are atheist” would you believe they are atheist?

        Of course not. Then why do you suggest the same in regards to Christianity?

        Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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      30. Again, WTAT, we have no way to know who is a christian except for their own self-averral since none of you can show that you are a Christian per the qualifications of the bible.

        I’d be happy not to call any of you Christian, but you do insist on that term. You again fail at analogies. IF someone said that they were an atheist but believed in a god, they may be an atheist to only some gods, like you are. If they tried to claim that they came to the conclusion that no gods exist, then they would be simply ignoring the definition for reasons of their own, but it doesn’t change what atheist means. That’s rather like you trying to ignore the definition of Christian when you don’t like that many people meet that definition. You try to make up your own definition in your no true scotsman fallacies.

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      31. As for the magicians who went against Moses they were counterfeits, notice afterwards they were unable to replicate the miracles Moses was doing. And they said:

        Exodus 8:18-19 And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast. Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This [is] the finger of God: and Pharaoh’s heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

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      32. Notice that while Moses was doing the magic, so were the magicians.

        ” 6 So Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up and covered the land of Egypt. 7 But the magicians did the same by their secret arts, and brought frogs up on the land of Egypt.”

        hmmm, so we have the magicians being evidently lower level than Moses. Still magic and still just like Moses.

        What I find even funnier about the magic duel is that both sets of magic can’t happen. If all of the frogs come, then how can all of them come again? The same sillines happens with the water to blood:

        ““Say to Aaron, ‘Take your staff and stretch out your hand over the waters of Egypt—over its rivers, its canals, and its ponds, and all its pools of water—so that they may become blood; and there shall be blood throughout the whole land of Egypt, even in vessels of wood and in vessels of stone.’”

        20 Moses and Aaron did just as the Lord commanded. In the sight of Pharaoh and of his officials he lifted up the staff and struck the water in the river, and all the water in the river was turned into blood, 21 and the fish in the river died. The river stank so that the Egyptians could not drink its water, and there was blood throughout the whole land of Egypt. 22 But the magicians of Egypt did the same by their secret arts; so Pharaoh’s heart remained hardened, and he would not listen to them, as the Lord had said.”

        The writers of the bible weren’t very swift in telling stories. And funny how no one ever noticed any of this happening.

        of course our WTAT ignores this part since he can’t claim it isn’t in the bible.

        Yep, I do love Revelation because it shows just how ridiculous the bible is. We have in Revelation where WTAT’s god works with Satan and allows satan to corrupt Christians after this god kills everyone else.

        What a very stupid god. OF course, poor god has to depend on Satan to make its plan come true too, since no blood sacrifice/murder by torture would have happened and thus no salvation from a whiny god who caused the problem in the first place by either being unable to keep satan out of the garden or intentionally allowing it in. Ooopsie!

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      33. Again you err. Moses had true miracles, Pharaoh magicians didn’t that’s why they couldn’t replicate everything Moses did.

        Why do you not understand my words?

        John 8:43-45 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not.

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      34. Nope, even your bible doesn’t say that there is any difference between the magic of Moses and the magic of the Egyptians. Add to this that Jews and Chrisitans have no idea when the exodus happened, and have no evidence that it happened, and it’s just nonsense. I understand your words. I have no problem in showing them wrong.

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      35. More parroting. Here’s another cracker.

        So you agree your book isn’t magic, and yet continue quoting it at us, as if it means something special. It doesn’t. You are behaving as though you think there is some special power to the words in your book, hence a “magic book.”

        Suppose a Scientologist was trying to convert you, and kept quoting passages from Dianetics at you to make their point. I don’t think you’d be impressed. The more they quoted, the less impressed you’d be. Throwing bible verses at people only works among believers. Not here.

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      36. I love parrots don’t you? Whoa I just thought of something you have a eye patch, get it eye patch and parrot? Just an observation.

        God doesn’t do “magic” magic is of evil origin. Oh the word of God is very special you’re just too lost to see that.

        Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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      37. You caught the pirate theme, congratulations. Pirates ARE the chosen people of His Noodliness, and I know this is true because I read it in a book. Does this convince you?

        You are protesting that your god doesn’t do magic, and yet every post of yours is loaded with “magical thinking”: that saying the right words or quoting from the right book, or performing the right rituals, or thinking the correct thoughts really hard will influence a supernatural being or power to alter the rules of the universe to your benefit. Humans do this all the time. Whether it’s an ancient tribe performing a rain dance, catholics chanting their rosary, children leaving cookies for Santa, new age believers waving crystals, a voodoo priestess casting a love spell, or an evangelical preacher throwing bible verses at an ex-believer because they think that the “holy spirit” will be invoked, it’s all the same thing. You are all believing in magic, even if you don’t like to call it that.

        I don’t believe in any kind of magic. I grew out of it. I don’t think the universe cares what words you say or what book you quote, or what rituals you do, or which thoughts you think, no matter how hard you think them. I don’t think there are any supernatural beings or forces out there who care about any of that. Quoting from your magic book over and over isn’t helping make your point, it just makes you look like you believe in magic.

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      38. WTAT, would you be impressed if a Muslim, or heck, another Chrisitan you don’t agree with quoted some of their nonsense to you? No?

        Then you get just how silly you appear with your invocation of a book that non-believers think is quite literally an unholy mess.

        But heck, let’s play a game and assume your sadistic threats are based on reality. I still would never worship such a petty violent god that is worse than most humans I know. It takes a cowardly person to think worshiping such a thing is a good idea. When I read the entire bible as a Christian, I realized just what an awful thing this god is, from its need for killing and blood sacrifice and greed for gold/jewels to its work with what supposedly is the ultimate evil. It’s a cut-rate one-dimensional villain.

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      39. Thanks again for the compliment we really appreciate it!! Perhaps you think God is all that you said because you never were converted? Only those who are born from God know how loving and merciful God is. People who are dead in sin and trespasses tend to make God out to be a monster but that’s far from the truth.

        The truth of the matter is you love sin, it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. But don’t be deceived your sin will bring you down into hell and you will regret it for all eternity.

        Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

        Matthew 5:29-30 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.

        This is no joke we implore you, you must be born again!!

        John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

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      40. No compliments made but I know that WTAT is desperate and has no problem in making things up. One more time to chalk up a Christian who ignores his supposedly holy book.
        Alas for you, WTAT, I was a Christian just like you. Just as much of a believer. You of course try to lie that I wasn’t because it terrifies you that you aren’t special and you can lose your makebelieve too.

        Your god is a monster, and only a sycophant would claim otherwise. Actions that hopefully you would be horrified if a human did, you laud and admire in your god. Lovely morality based on might equals right you have.
        So, WTAT, what is “sin”? Christians don’t agree so no reason to believe someone who can’t show he’s a Christian at all, except for claiming it.

        For someone who whines about context, you love to ignore that if convenient, and you love that OT as long as you don’t have to follow the inconvenient laws in it. The verse in Isaiah is about Sheol aka the grave, not your sadistic fantasy of hell. The cute verse from Matthew are just great since it shows that Christians like WTAT are the classic ones to ignore their supposed savior.

        No one needs “born again”. That verse is a great one because it shows how Christians mangle the bible with their interpretations. Is it “Born again” or “Born from above”? Christians just make things up. We also have the gospel of John failing again with claims that we can’t know where the wind comes from or where it goes. Such terribly ignorant people to think have any truth at all. We also have JC’s ignorance of his own heaven, with the claim that no one has ascended to heaven except him. Enoch, Elijah, and heck, somse Christians are sure that the “virgin” Mary went up too. Ooops. The GoJ also contradicts other gospels with the whole John the Baptist thing.

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      41. Once again you were never saved to begin with, you just attended church you never were saved. You still have the chance to be saved because you’re still alive. But how long? We don’t know people die every day.

        Hey, you can pout and get upset that’s fine. I mean it’s you who will have to deal with the consequences of your unbelief. But just don’t say you’ve never been warned because you have.

        Romans 1:18-23 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

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      42. And you falsely claim I wasn’t saved because you don’t want to believe it. Ah, I do love a good failure from a Christian thanks to the no true scotsman fallacy.

        Still more impotent threats. And why think your warning is anything special since you aren’t a Christian?

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      43. You’re not saved it’s evident. The hatred in your heart for God is spilling over.

        1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

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      44. No one is “saved”, WTAT. That’s just nonsense that Christians make up to pretend they are special. You aren’t. And no hatred, all we have is you making more false claims to salve your injured pride when people don’t need you or your god.

        No god, no jesus, no holy spirit.

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      45. WTAT, this claim from you “If you never turn to Christ and you end up in hell, that’s your own decision and your own fault.” isn’t what is claimed in the bible (see romans 9).

        Who should we believe, the bible authors or you?

        you aren’t speaking “truth”. You want to claim a problem that isn’t there and then try to claim you have the solution to that imaginary problem.

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      46. Hi if you take the entirety of scripture together God does choose but you also must come to Him. He’s not going to force you to love Him, He shows Himself to you and you’re the one who is going to either deny or accept His free gift of salvation.

        Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

        So my question is this, are you ungodly?!
        If you don’t believe you’re a sinner then there’s no way you can be saved. Only sinners get saved and then they become saints by God’s own hand!!

        Isaiah 55:6-7 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

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      47. again, WTAT tries to lie about what’s in his bible again. It does not say that one must choose to come to him. It says that this god simply picks and chooses.

        Why have you decided to lie about your bible, WTAT? Show these verses that say we have to come to this god.

        “He shows Himself to you and you’re the one who is going to either deny or accept His free gift of salvation.” Nope, it says this no where.

        What’s “godly”, WTAT? Why do Christians disagree and are unable to show that they are “godly” at all?

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      48. Really so what does this mean?

        Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

        Notice “Choose”.

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      49. What does a verse from the bible mean?

        it’s a writing of a human who is upset that other humans don’t agree with them and try to claim that some god will punish them for doing so. It’s nothing different from the whine of a child on a playground insisting that their big brother will beat someone up.

        So let’s look at your verse: 15 See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, death and adversity. 16 If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God[b] that I am commanding you today, by loving the Lord your God, walking in his ways, and observing his commandments, decrees, and ordinances, then you shall live and become numerous, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away and you do not hear, but are led astray to bow down to other gods and serve them, 18 I declare to you today that you shall perish; you shall not live long in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess. 19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live, 20 loving the Lord your God, obeying him, and holding fast to him; for that means life to you and length of days, so that you may live in the land that the Lord swore to give to your ancestors, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.”

        and this set:

        ““About this time I will return and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 Nor is that all; something similar happened to Rebecca when she had conceived children by one husband, our ancestor Isaac. 11 Even before they had been born or had done anything good or bad (so that God’s purpose of election might continue, 12 not by works but by his call) she was told, “The elder shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written,“I have loved Jacob, but I have hated Esau.”

        14 What then are we to say? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses,“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

        16 So it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who shows mercy. 17 For the scripture says to Pharaoh, “I have raised you up for the very purpose of showing my power in you, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he chooses, and he hardens the heart of whomever he chooses.

        19 You will say to me then, “Why then does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who indeed are you, a human being, to argue with God? Will what is molded say to the one who molds it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one object for special use and another for ordinary use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the objects of wrath that are made for destruction; 23 and what if he has done so in order to make known the riches of his glory for the objects of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 including us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?”

        we also have JC saying this “10 Then the disciples came and asked him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 He answered, “To you it has been given to know the secrets[b] of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For to those who have, more will be given, and they will have an abundance; but from those who have nothing, even what they have will be taken away”

        Oh look, another contradiction in the bible. So, which shall we accept, WTAT, the OT, which you insist you don’t have to follow the laws, or the NT, where JC and Paul both say that this god prevents people from accepting it?

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      50. Again, you have no undertsanding of the bible. The word of God came from God, God used men to write the bible. The same way you would use a computer to write a letter and print it. You wrote the letter not the computer.

        2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

        θεόπνευστος theópneustos, theh-op’-nyoo-stos; from and a presumed derivative of; divinely breathed in:—given by inspiration of God.

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      51. and you cannot show that I supposed have no “understanding” of the bible. You just don’t like my conclusions and have the delusion that only your interpretations are true, just like every other Christian.

        There is no evidence that the bible’s books came from your version of your god or any god. And you fail at analogies as usual. No, your god using humans to write its holy book isn’t like me using a computer. I don’t repeatedly contradict myself if we are to believe that your god wrote things. IF the bible is form your god, your god is hilariously incompetent.

        Again, quoting the bible doesn’t make it true and it doesn’t impress non-christians. It’s just you mentally masturbating.

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      52. the very idea of “sin” is pure nonsense. Each Christian makes up what they want to pretend their god doesn’t like and then try to call it “sin”.

        You’ve made scores of baseless claims. Where is the evidence for this soul you claim? Ark asked you for it. You gave a bible verse. The bible is nothing more than claims. You need evidence. Since you wanted to claim that the bible was evidence, I asked you if you were okay declaring that all holy books were “evidence” for their claims “Unless you want to agree that the qu’ran is evidence too? Do you? ”

        So, answer that.

        Here’s another question you didn’t answer: How silly you are, WTAT. Do you think that your bible is magical and keeps people from quoting if if they don’t believe in its bullshit?

        and another:
        Golly, WTAT, would you volunteer to be punished for something someone else has done? I’m guessing not.

        and another:
        So, if you invited me to the movies tonight, and I said I wasn’t going to the movies tonight and then I snuck into the movies tonight, was I lying to you?

        and another:
        What I find even funnier about the magic duel is that both sets of magic can’t happen. If all of the frogs come, then how can all of them come again? The same sillines happens with the water to blood

        and another from Ubi:
        You caught the pirate theme, congratulations. Pirates ARE the chosen people of His Noodliness, and I know this is true because I read it in a book. Does this convince you?

        and another:
        WTAT, would you be impressed if a Muslim, or heck, another Chrisitan you don’t agree with quoted some of their nonsense to you? No?

        and another:
        So, WTAT, what is “sin”?

        and another:
        Is it “Born again” or “Born from above”?

        and another:
        And why think your warning is anything special since you aren’t a Christian?

        and another:
        Who should we believe, the bible authors or you?

        and another two:
        What’s “godly”, WTAT? Why do Christians disagree and are unable to show that they are “godly” at all?

        and that’s just on this post’s comments. This isn’t all of the questions I’ve asked you on your own blog.

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      53. Sure I’d love to show you.

        ἁμαρτία hamartía, ham-ar-tee’-ah; from G264; a sin (properly abstract):—offence, sin(-ful).
        a. to be without a share in
        b. to miss the mark
        c. to err, be mistaken
        d. to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go
        wrong

        II. that which is done wrong, sin, an offence, a violation of the divine law in thought or in act

        III. collectively, the complex or aggregate of sins committed either by a single person or by many

        חַטָּאָה chaṭṭâʼâh, khat-taw-aw’; or חַטָּאת chaṭṭâʼth; from H2398; an offence (sometimes habitual sinfulness), and its penalty, occasion, sacrifice, or expiation; also (concretely) an offender:—punishment (of sin), purifying(-fication for sin), sin(-ner, offering).

        I. sin, sinful
        II. sin, sin offering
        a. sin
        b. condition of sin, guilt of sin
        c. punishment for sin
        d. sin-offering
        e. purification from sins of ceremonial uncleanness

        ἁμαρτωλός hamartōlós, ham-ar-to-los’; from G264; sinful, i.e. a sinner:—sinful, sinner.

        I. devoted to sin, a sinner
        a. not free from sin
        b. pre-eminently sinful, especially wicked
        i. all wicked men
        ii. specifically of men stained with certain definite vices or crimes
        a. tax collectors, heathen

        These are the biblical definitions of sin, it all comes down to transgression of God’s Holy Law.

        1 Timothy 1:9-10 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

        God has even created the establishment of human government with the power of capital punishment in the Noahic Covenant (Genesis 8:20-9:27).

        This is why when someone breaks the law they go to jail by those placed in the role of upholding the law (authorities). If someone rapes and murders someone the judge can tell that person you earned the death penalty. Just shows God’s hand in putting things in place to punish evil.

        “Where is the evidence for this soul you claim?”
        Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living SOUL.

        “that the qu’ran is evidence too?”
        The qu’ran is false and muslims don’t believe in the same God as Christians.
        The God muslims calls himself the greatest deceiver.
        Not the same God as the Bible.
        Allah – The Greatest Deceiver of them All (https://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_best_deceiver.htm)

        “…magical and keeps people…”
        Again the bible is not about ‘magic’
        Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I [am] the LORD your God.

        2 Kings 21:6 And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke [him] to anger.

        “punished for something someone else”
        Jesus Christ did He died for you.
        And I would put myself in danger to save you if you were in trouble, because that’s what I’m called to do as a Christian.

        John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

        “…was I lying to you?”
        3rd time I’m telling you this, it was not yet His time; things were done according to time certain events unfolded according to time. When it wasen’t time for something to come to pass then it was not time.

        John 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? MINE HOUR IS NOT YET COME.

        Jesus never lied.
        1 Peter 2:21-22 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: WHO DID NO SIN, NEITHER WAS GUILE FOUND IN HIS MOUTH:

        “… magic duel…”
        I told you Moses didn’t do ‘magic’ it was miracles he did. The pharaoh’s magicians were doing ‘magic’ that’s why they couldn’t do all that Moses did.

        Exodus 8:18-19 And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, BUT THEY COULD NOT: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast. Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, THIS [IS] THE FINGER OF GOD: and Pharaoh’s heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

        ‘…Pirates…’
        They’re sinful men who need salvation the same as you do.

        ‘would you be impressed if a Muslim, or heck, another Chrisitan you don’t agree with quoted some of their nonsense to you? No?’

        See the rest of my answer in the other post.

        I’d love for another Christian to quote scripture because I love God’s word. Do you really think I’ve haven’t spoken with other Christians on doctrine?

        What do you think Christians do? We quote scripture, any Christian who doesn’t feel the need to memorize/quote scripture then they need to really examine themselves to see if they are in the faith.

        As for muslims they believe in a false god, and the quran is not a Holy book; its an unholy book.

        2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

        “Born again” or “Born from above”
        Born again is being Born from above because you can only be saved by having the Holy Spirit indwell you for salvation. The Holy Spirit is God and God is from above.

        ‘…since you aren’t a Christian?’
        you can say this all you want but I’ve been saved when I came to an end of myself. Attacks such as these have no bearing on me and only proves the other side has no answers and must resort to name calling shows you’ve already lost.

        ‘Who should we believe, the bible authors or you?’
        Believe God’s word it’s not about me, never said it was.
        God calls you to repent I’ve given you the warning and if you perish that’s your choice but just know that if you do you’ll end up in the Lake of Fire.

        Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and MURDERERS, and whoremongers, and SORCERERS, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

        ‘What’s “godly”, WTAT? Why do Christians disagree and are unable to show that they are “godly” at all?’
        I’m godly in Christ, I don’t have a righteousness of my own, I have the Lord Jesus Christ righteousness imputed onto me. It was God’s mercy and grace that saved this sinner.

        Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

        ‘and that’s just on this post’s comments. This isn’t all of the questions I’ve asked you on your own blog’

        I replied to your questions if there’s more point them out and I’ll be happy to answer.

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      54. To be blunt, no one cares about your delusions of “sin”. They don’t exist for anyone but a believer who wants to play pretend that some god hates the same things he does. Christians make up the “holy law” and you can’t agree on what it is. That you aren’t even a Christian makes this even more amusing. You want to run to the bible for its nonsense but when I point out your personal failure, you want to ignore it.

        Humans have had laws far longer than your ignorant agrarians who lived in the east Mediterranean. No gods needed at all. Your terrible ignorance about history and your need to lie make you a failure every time.

        The bible isn’t evidence. Thanks for showing that you have nothing else but baseless claims, WTAT. By your own argument the qu’ran is just as valid as your bible. Now you realize how silly you are. You can’t show the qu’ran false or that the bible is true because theists all use the same idiotic arguments for their claims.

        And we get to see that poor WTAT has no idea what his bible actually says when he is horrified that the Muslim God uses deception. He forgets his god does the same things, like when Jesus lies to his brother, when this god sends a lying spirit to deceive people, and when this god intentionally sends delusions to people so they have to believe a lie (2 Thessalonians 2) . “You deceived me, Lord, and I was deceived; you overpowered me and prevailed.I am ridiculed all day long; everyone mocks me.” Jeremiah 20

        The bible is about magic and the supernatural. As hard as you try, you can’t make mentions of silly things like miracles go away. It’s like every sad little religion, trying to declare that their magic is okay and everyone else’s isn’t.

        Unsurprisingly, WTAT won’t answer my actual question, will he accept being punished for something I’ve done. He tries to desperately ignore what I asked and substituted this in its place: And I would put myself in danger to save you if you were in trouble, because that’s what I’m called to do as a Christian.” Alas for him, lots of people would do and have done this, and they weren’t Christians.

        Of course he wouldn’t accept punishment for my actions and he doesn’t like to have to admit that his god is wrong for requiring it. Jesus didn’t die if one believes the bible. He had an inconvenience. And what led up to that nonsense was: a god being too stupid to keep out Satan in the garden or intentionally letting it in. Then this poor god takes a tantrum, kicks people out for doing what it knew they would do if it let Satan in. We have several thousands years of this god screwing around trying to fix things with a flood, laws, etc, and then it finally gets around to deciding it needs a good ol’ fashioned blood sacrifice to make itself happy. Then it needs Satan again to cause this to happen, no torture death, no salvation. Finally we have the “end times” where this god works with Satan again. What an idiotic story where some god made part of itself be killed by torture so it could be happy about something it failed at. So no, Jesus didn’t die for me, even if this nonsense is true. This god died to make itself happy. A very weird bit of masturbation.

        Unsurprisingly again, WTAT tries to change what question I asked him to something he wants to answer. How very dishonest and classically Christian. Again, WTAT, answer the question I asked: “So, if you invited me to the movies tonight, and I said I wasn’t going to the movies tonight and then I snuck into the movies tonight, was I lying to you?” I am not asking if it was anyone’s “Time”. I’m asking this question. You don’t like it because if you answer it, you will show that Jesus did indeed lie. How wonderfully transparent you are.

        Again, no one here cares about your bible and what it says. More quotes don’t help. The bible constant contradicts itself.

        Nice to see you quoting Exodus and showing us that this god hardened pharaoh’s heart and poof there goes free will.

        As usual, one can tell when a Christian is lying with quotes when they use ellipses to hide what they don’t want people to see. WTAT wants to pretend that he wasn’t asked about if something in a book would convince him since he doesn’t want to admit that he uses a book that is just as silly as the one about the Great Spaghetti monster.

        Other Christians don’t’ agree with you, WTAT, so you just claim they aren’t Christians as is convenient for you. You seem to be utterly ignorant about other Christian doctrines so no, I don’t think you’ve talked with many people at all, Christian or not. Yep, and here you are showing us that you don’t find quotes from others to have any point, you just whine and claim that they are “unholy” again with no evidence at all.

        Born from above is not born again. Plenty of Christians again disagree with you. Per your supposedly “holy” book, it says you aren’t a Christian. Hmm, you answer “Believe God’s word it’s not about me, never said it was.” Okay then.

        No, you’ve given no “warning” but you want to fantasize that you have. You’ve invented a problem and now you want to invent a solution for something that doesn’t exist. I am not impressed by childish sadistic fantasies.

        You, unsurprisingly, can’t define what godly is. You want to claim you are but what does godly mean? Other Christians claim that they are “godly” too and you insist that those people aren’t Christians at all.

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      55. You really love talking with me, I know you do; it’s alright I love talking to you also.

        ‘Christians make up the “holy law” and you can’t agree on what it is.’
        Same argument, you really are reaching.

        ‘Humans have had laws’
        Lies God established law way before humans, His Law is HOLY.

        ‘The bible isn’t evidence’
        I’ve shown you many you just have too much hatred in your heart and won’t humble yourself, that’s alright you know deep down you have no rebuttals.
        Its ok to say you don’t know.

        ‘Muslim God’
        Is not the same, Muslims have no assurance of salvation because they don’t know if allah will send them to hell then remember them afterwards and take them out of hell.

        The God of the Bible doesn’t do that, only those who reject the free gift of salvation end up in hell because of their own pride. That’s the road your currently on.

        Jeremiah 20:7-18 Jeremiah regrets his unpopular ministry. The Lord persuaded (‘deceived’ was Jeremiah human view point, it wasn’t that God actually deceived) him into it. He wanted to stop delivering the unpopular message of Babylonian captivity, but could not. The word of the LORD burned like a fire within him. He overheard his friends plotting against him, but committed his cause to the LORD. At times he is confident, praising the LORD, but other times discouraged he wishes he had never been born.

        You need to know the context of the bible like I said before because you were never saved you have a carnal mind and cannot understand the things of God. An unregenerate person doesn’t have the Spirit of God, therefore the Gospel and the things of God are foolishness unto such a person because they are spiritually dead.

        ‘The bible is about magic’
        Know the difference between ‘magic’ and miracles

        ‘Unsurprisingly, WTAT won’t answer my actual question, will he accept being punished for something I’ve done.’

        I did answer I said yes, if you were in danger I would take the punishment. If someone was attacking you I would help you, but if you’re committing sin then you deserve hell. All people deserve hell including myself, only difference is that I trusted in Christ and I’m saved and homeward bound to heaven.

        Unfortunately, you never were saved and are on the way to hell. Like I said you don’t have to go there.

        ‘Of course he wouldn’t accept punishment for my actions and he doesn’t like to have to admit that his god is wrong for requiring it’

        Christ already took your punishment so that you could have forgiveness of sins, I’m not Christ and I can’t die in your place because I’m a sinner just like you. But I’m saved by grace.

        ‘dishonest and classically Christian’
        You’re the dishonest one here, you just don’t like the answers and want me to answer how you see fit, typical atheist tactic.

        ‘Nice to see you quoting Exodus and showing us that this god hardened pharaoh’s heart and poof there goes free will’
        Again know the context and background, why these things are spoken of.

        ‘Other Christians don’t’ agree with you’
        I don’t think you read well, I already answered this go read my response. I’m not going to repeat the same answer.

        ‘Born from above is not born again’
        Know the context before you speak, ok you tell me what’s born again mean?

        God is perfect and Holy and He requires nothing less than His own perfection. But, we are not able to attain His holiness. He doesn’t lie, cheat, or steal, but we do these things. Therefore, there’s a judgment upon us because we have broken the Law of God, we have sinned by lying and cheating and stealing. This judgment is eternal damnation. However, God the Father loves us so much that He sent God the Son, Jesus, who died on the cross as a sacrifice to pay the penalty for our sins. He died on the cross and physically rose from the dead three days later. This proves that His sacrifice was acceptable to the Father. Therefore, if you want to receive what Jesus has done to remove the wrath of God the Father, then you must receive Him and His sacrifice by faith. If you want forgiveness for your sins against God.

        Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
        (Everyone has fallen short of God’s glory, you must be morally perfect which means never sinned in your whole life; we all fail miserably if we are honest with ourselves)

        Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
        (No one is a good person we all have told a lie before or been angry or took God’s name in vain etc. These are all sins)

        Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
        (You and I were born in sin because of Adam’s transgression which made us all sinners by nature)

        Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
        (God will pay all sinners what they deserve which is death, but the good news (gospel) is that God made a way for you to escape the judgement through Christ)

        Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
        (All of creation testifies that God is real therefore no one will have an excuse ex. “what if I never heard the gospel”)

        Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
        (The good news is that Jesus Christ paid it all in full, you can be saved by placing your faith in Jesus Christ in His death, burial and resurrection)

        Romans 10:9-10, 13 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. … For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
        (Will you confess Jesus Christ? Will you believe in Him?)

        Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
        (If you do you can be justified with God made righteous through Jesus Christ and you’ll have peace with God.)

        Romans 8:1, 38-39 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. … For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
        (Last but not least you’ll never lose your salvation because it’s a free gift which no one will be able to take away; and you’ll have a home in heaven.)

        What happened to you that you have so much hatred in your heart? Must have been horrible.

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      56. No, I do not like talking to you. I find you a tedious, willfully ignorant liar. But I find it necessary to counter such ignorance and lies.
        It’s always notable when you can’t rebut my points, WTAT.

        Christians make up their religion in their own image. You do this. IT’s very cute to see Christians attack each other on who has the “right” version of their imaginary friend.
        Of course you can’t show that I’ve lied. Humans have had laws long before your ignorant agrarians made some up and then lied that their god was the source. You can’t even show your version of the Christian god exists or the laws that you pick and choose to follow had a divine source. The whole silly story where the laws were finally mentioned never happened.
        Again, you whine about the bible being evidence. IF this is so, then the qu’ran is evidence that Islam is true. Are you go with this? Your bible is full of claims, you can’t use claims as evidence for themselves. You simply seem unable to comprehend this. Oh well.

        I humble myself befoe no imaginary being that a sad fellow like you can’t show exists. And nope, no hatred for your silly little invented god. I do get disgusted with lying Christians who try to hurt people in the name of their imaginary god. And aw, it’s so cute when a Christian claims he can read minds. Sorry dear, I certainly don’t “deep down” agree with your lies. You have to make that up since you desperately need external validation of your nonsense.
        Wah, “is not the same”. Again, it’s so cute to see you intentionally try to ignore what I’ve actually written in favor of trying to lie and answer something that was not said. This is what I said “And we get to see that poor WTAT has no idea what his bible actually says when he is horrified that the Muslim God uses deception. He forgets his god does the same things, like when Jesus lies to his brother, when this god sends a lying spirit to deceive people, and when this god intentionally sends delusions to people so they have to believe a lie (2 Thessalonians 2) . “You deceived me, Lord, and I was deceived; you overpowered me and prevailed.I am ridiculed all day long; everyone mocks me.” Jeremiah 20”

        And what WTAT tried to reply with: “Is not the same, Muslims have no assurance of salvation because they don’t know if allah will send them to hell then remember them afterwards and take them out of hell.” Nice bit of incoherence there.

        We also have WTAT again trying to lie and ignore what his bible says about who gets chosen by his god and who doesn’t. There is no “free gift of salvation”. I’m glad that you have no problem in denying your bible and your god, WTAT. Nope, I’m on no path that you want to pretend I’m on, no sadistic fantasies to come true for WTAT. He will die knowing that he failed.

        Ah, just as all Christians do, we have WTAT’s baseless claims that he and he alone knows what the bible verses “really” mean. Nope, Jeremiah claims that his god is a deceiever and god has no problem with that. Then we have that god does intentionally deceive. For all Christians whine about context, you sure hate it when the context shows that your religion isn’t quite what you thought it was.

        Then we have more lies by WTAT invented so WTAT can play the “no true scotsman” fallacy. Alas, since WTAT can’t do what a Christian is promised to do in his bible, no reason to think he has any ability to judge others on the matter if they were a Christian or not. As for the “spirit” of this god telling any Christian what the bible “really” means, again, all Christians claim so, all Christians contradict each other, and the holy spirit is complete nonsense.

        Magic is miracles, WTAT. You want to pretend otherwise to feel special. You aren’t. Most if not all human invented gods do magic/miracles.

        Again, we have WTAT avoiding the simply question “, will he accept being punished for something I’ve done.” It’s very funny to see you again try to avoid the question with an answer to a question I’ve never asked. This is his answer “and I would put myself in danger to save you if you were in trouble, because that’s what I’m called to do as a Christian.” And now we have a variant of that “I did answer I said yes, if you were in danger I would take the punishment. If someone was attacking you I would help you, but if you’re committing sin then you deserve hell.”

        So again we have no answer to “, will he accept being punished for something I’ve done.” This is not “danger”, this is a question about fairness and justice not if I were in danger. Poor lil’ WTAT, everyone deserves hell if they dare not agree with him. Tsk. No sign you are saved either, WTAT, again you can’t do what a Christian is promised to do. Just like Calvinist, so sure that you are part of the predestined chosen. How childish and arrogant.

        Nope, no Christ and no salvation, no grace (which was invented by Paul in Romans 9 where he said this god chooses some people to be saved and then damns the rest). Again, not asking if WTAT could absolve me of his imaginary “sins”, but if he would accept being punished for something I did.
        WTAT doesn’t like me holding his feet to the fire and expecting him to be honest. Too bad.

        The context of Exodus is this god hardening the pharaoh’s heart to show off. No context disproves that. WTAT knows that since he can’t show the context he claims.

        WTAT also doesn’t’ like me showing him that other Christians dare disagree with him. He has to lie and accuse me of being unable to read to try to pretend that I’m wrong. We see this in the problem that WTAT has with the phrase “born from above” and “born again”, which Christians do not agree on. Some Christians, mostly evangelicals, think they need to be born again into their religion to make themselves Christian, other Christians are sure that they got it right the first time.

        WTAT’s god is not perfect or holy or perfect. It is imaginary and as flawed as WTAT. As opposed to WTAT’s claims, his bible shows that the god described there does lie and deceive and works with what is supposedly the ultimate evil hand in hand. There is no such thing as “sin” except as a fantasy for theists who want to declare that their god/s are offended by what the theist is. They get their jollies fantasizing that anyone who disagrees with them deserve eternal torture. What usually happens is that they whine when confronted about this and say it’s not up to them but their god aka “I am just following orders”. Nope, their sadism is their own.

        I’m sure I’m repeating myself but WTAT’s god screwed up in the garden, took a tantrum that humans did what it knew they would, and then decided, after failing for thousands of years, that it needed a blood sacrifice to make itself happy, just like any religion at that time, needing death and pain. It’s hilarious to see nonsense like “This proves that His sacrifice was acceptable to the Father” when his father set the whole thing up.

        And then we have more made up nonsense aka verses of the bible that shows that WTAT isn’t a Christian. Bummer for him. WTAT wants everyone to think we’ve fallen short of the god he’s invented as himself. Nah, we haven’t fallen short at all. We are far better than the sad little god that Christians have.
        And here is another bit of nonsense that Christians don’t agree about. “(Last but not least you’ll never lose your salvation because it’s a free gift which no one will be able to take away; and you’ll have a home in heaven.)”

        Poor WTAT, still must lie when he tries this again “What happened to you that you have so much hatred in your heart? Must have been horrible.” He has to hope something horrible happened so he doesn’t have to consider my points. What a failure of a human being. Sorry, dear, nothing horrible happened at all. You can stop masturbating over that fantasy now.

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      57. ‘No, I do not like talking to you. I find you a tedious, willfully ignorant liar. But I find it necessary to counter such ignorance and lies.
        It’s always notable when you can’t rebut my points, WTAT.’

        Well, that’s alright, I certainly love talking with you so let’s keep it going.

        You know the devil always says the same thing, he calls followers of Christ liars because he’s the accuser of the brethren (Revelation 12:10).

        The reason why you don’t hear God’s words is because you’re a child of the devil, therefore, I don’t expect any different from his children.

        John 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

        ‘Christians make up their religion in their own image. You do this. IT’s very cute to see Christians attack each other on who has the “right” version of their imaginary friend.’

        I love that my so called ‘imaginary friend’ gets you so hot-headed it just shows the truth of God’s word.

        Romans 8:6-7 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

        Carnal: σάρξ sárx: the sensuous nature of man, “the animal nature”, the animal nature with cravings which incite to sin.

        Like I said you love your sin and don’t want to be accountable, it’s quite understandable I used to be in the same boat as you. An angry person shaking their little fist at God.

        ‘Of course you can’t show that I’ve lied. Humans have had laws long before your ignorant agrarians made some up and then lied that their god was the source…’

        Show that He doesn’t exist.

        ‘I humble myself befoe no imaginary being…’

        I know because you’re prideful and love sin and death. All atheist are the same no hope beyond this material life. It’s sad really.

        ‘Again, you whine about the bible being evidence. IF this is so, then the qu’ran is evidence that Islam is true. Are you go with this? Your bible is full of claims, you can’t use claims as evidence for themselves. You simply seem unable to comprehend this. Oh well.’

        I guess you’ll call a counterfeit bill true/real also. Tragic.

        ‘I do get disgusted with lying Christians’
        Correction you just have hatred in your heart but hey I guess the Easter bunny bothers you just the same, I love it it just shows the power in the name Jesus Christ. Amazing! I truly love this please keep it coming.

        ‘Magic is miracles’
        Wrong magic is trickery miracles are real, not the same at all.

        ‘Again, we have WTAT avoiding the simply question’
        I gave you the answer you don’t like it that your choice.

        Nope, no big bang, no evolution, nope no ape to humans.

        ‘The context of Exodus is this god hardening the pharaoh’s heart to show off. No context disproves that. WTAT knows that since he can’t show the context he claims.’

        You mean the way you hardened your heart towards God? It’s your pride that’s done that, but God can still forgive you.

        ‘Christians dare disagree with him’
        It doesn’t matter to me if ‘other Christians’ disagree, like I told you its the foundational truths that makes one a Christian. The Bible itself reveals those doctrines that are essential to the Christian faith. They are 1) the Deity of Christ, 2) Salvation by Grace, 3) Resurrection of Christ, 4) the gospel, and 5) monotheism. These are the doctrines the Bible says are necessary. Though there are many other important doctrines, these five are the ones that are declared by Scripture to be essential (called primary essentials since the Bible declares them as essential). A non-regenerate person (i.e., Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness, atheist, Muslim), will deny one or more of these essential doctrines. There are other derivative doctrines of scripture that become necessary also and the Trinity being one.

        Non-essentials
        Eschatology (how and when the end times will unfold, the rapture, the millenium, the role of Israel today, etc.)
        Earth Age (young v. old earth creationism, etc.)
        Bible translation preferences (King James v. modern translations, word-for-word v. thought-for-thought, etc.)
        Ecclesiology (church government models, the roles of clergy and laity, are Apostles and Prophets for today, etc.)
        Soteriological Systems (Arminianism v. Calvinism, etc.)
        Demonology (can a Christian have a demon or not, teachings on various kinds of spiritual warfare, etc.)
        Sacrament practices (wine v. grape juice, leavened v. unleavened bread, who can administer, etc.)
        Modes of baptism (sprinkling v. full immersion, infant baptism, etc.)
        Worship styles (liturgical v. contemporary, hymns v. choruses, choirs, drums v. organs, etc.)
        The gifts of the Holy Spirit (tongues v. no tongues, cessationism v. continuationism, etc.)
        Worship observances (Sabbatarianism v. Sunday worship, observance of special holy days, tithing, etc.)
        Food and drink (consumption of alcohol v. abstinence, kosher v. non-kosher food, etc.)
        Various do’s and don’ts (tobacco consumption, playing cards, dancing, makeup, “acceptable” dress, movies, etc.) Etc., etc., etc.

        ‘God is not perfect or holy or perfect’
        All ungodly people say that you’re not saying anything of substance it all empty and vain talk. When you stand before Him on the Day of Judgement all those words will not come out your mouth anymore. Because it will be stopped.

        Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

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      58. I don’t believe in Satan either. I know you are a liar and I’ve shown you to be. I’m not a “child of the devil” either. Such sad fantasies you make up. It’s a shame that you have such a problem with the devil since your god works with it so often.

        Again, bible verses are garbage. But keep posting them to show you have nothing else but fairy stories that you try to fright people with.
        Poor WTAT, no not “hot-headed” either. Keep trying. I see you can’t show that I’m wrong about Christians make their god and religion in their own image.
        No sin invented by WTAT. No god to agree with WTAT. No god to shake a fist at.
        Again, WTAT, there is no evidence for your version of your god or for the events it supposedly caused. The entire world has went along as normal, no gods, and evidence to that fact is in every culture since no one noticed your bible nonsense. The exodus didn’t happen since life in Egypt wasn’t disturbed and documents show that for any date that Christians might try to invent for the exodus. No one in Egypt at any time noticed a 28,000 foot flood at any time Chrisitans try to invent for it to have happened. No one noticed the dead walking around Jerusalem during a Passover at any time Christians. What we have are civilization who have created laws that make civilization work better. There is nothing unique about the Israelites and their laws. Similar laws are found in most if not all civilizations.

        Now, we are still stuck with you being unable to show your version of your god *does* exist. All you have is an imaginary being you try to claim agrees with you. Hope doesn’t require you or your god. And you’ll die just like the rest of us, no magical afterlife.
        We also have you trying to claim one holy book “counterfeit” and unable to show yours to be in anyway related to reality. If your bible is to be considered evidence, the qu’ran can be claimed to be evidence too. You have to show that it is wrong and your nonsense is right. I’ve been waiting for that and you can’t.
        Nah, no hatred still. But we do have a Christian who intentionally lies about others, ignoring his bible. Again, WTAT, you do have trouble realizing that one can be annoyed by the silliness of Christians and be sure that their god is imaginary. I guess you must be bothered by Allah since you are so upset that I dare compare your holy book to the qu’ran.
        You’ve yet to show that miracles are real. What I do love how is that Christians are admitting that their imaginary god is weaker than a virus.
        Still no answer for “, will he accept being punished for something I’ve done.””

        Alas for you, WTAT, the science that you happily use to have a computer, to use a cell phone, to have modern food stuffs, to have antibiotics is the same science that provides evidence for the Big Bang, evolutionary theory, etc. You are a hypocrite but that’s nothing new. You also show again that you have no idea what evolutionary theory says, depending on willful ignorance to cling to your belief that you are special.
        I’ve not hardened anything, WTAT. What we have in the bible is a god that forces its will on humans. No free will at all. But you just ignore those parts, creating your bible and your god in your image. That denial doesn’t make those parts go away. Per your god, nope it can’t forgive me so you are ignoring about your bible and god again.
        Christians disagree on what they want to claim are “foundational truths”. You all use that lovely no true scotsman fallacy to pretend that only you have the “right” Christianity. Chrisitans don’t agree on what the Gospels really mean, what parts to take as metaphor or literal, what sin is, etc. Again, Christians don’t agree with you, and none of you can show that you are Christians at all. It’s hilarious to see Christians like you try to claim that there are “essentials” and “primary essentials”. If something is essential, that’s all you need. Then you all go around trying to claim such a happy family you are, when all of the time insisting that those who dare not agree with you aren’t Christians at all and are going to hell. Such mean little children. It’s even better when you are dithering around and trying to claim that some things are “necessary” and not. Again, WTAT, anyone with a knowledge of Christian history knows how Christians sects split and split and split, with each insisting that they are the only “real” Christians.

        Those “non-essentials” you claim aren’t so non-essential at all. Christians were happily killing and condemning each other to hell over these things, so I know you are simply lying again to create a false claim of unity. It’s great to see such outright lying. Those things you claim aren’t essential are considered those pesky sins you are always on about. IF you don’t get them right, then you are sinning.
        You’ve yet to show any perfect being, WTAT. As far as I can tell, you have no what perfect even means in this context. All theists try to claim their god is perfect, but every one else’s god is imaginary. Since none of you can show your imaginary friend, no reason to believe any of you when you doubt each other’s use of the same arguments.

        Your fantasies about the “day of judgement” are those of a whiny child. No, WTAT, no one will be forced to not speak against you and your nonsense. We’ll always be here. And your religion will fade away, changing again and again to find excuses why your god is a no-show.

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      59. Sorry, I don’t have a religion. It always makes me laugh when a Christian tries this as if claiming one having a religion is the worst thing you can think of. You, WTAT, have a religion and you have no faith in it. You must scrabble for any little scrap you think can show your delusions to be true.

        Alas, for you the BBT has a lot of evidence supporting it, including the fact that you can use your cell phone and your computer. The laws of physics support it and sad hypocrites like you try to decry science when it shows your nonsense to be false, but you sure have no problem using the results of that science. As usual, you have no idea what the BBT is and try to claim it is “everythign came from nothing”. That is no the case, but you cling to your willful ignorance to convince yourself you are special.

        You are your own little god, WTAT. Your god is nothing but your invention, based on your very human hates and desires.

        You also have no idea what secular humanism is. As for all “truth” being relative, Christians are masters at that since none of you agree on your supposed “truths” and you happily attack each other over them. Christian “truths” have changed ever generation, with each new sect insisting that its interpretation is what their god “really” meant, as if this deity mumbles to every prior generation.

        Your morality is nothing more than might equals right, what a sycophant uses to justify a tyrant, but you can’t even show that “might” exists.

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      60. You absolutely have a religion, atheistic humanism is a faith. A godless faith but a faith nontheless.

        Atheism is your religion, science is your holy book(s), and ‘self’ is your god.

        You see me as a Christian I don’t believe in religion, Christianity is not a religion never was. The Christian faith is bulit upon having a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

        Religion is man trying to live a moral life without God, Christianity says you can’t do it. In fact atheist borrow from the Christian world view. You have no basis for what’s morally right or wrong because youf foundation is sits on sinful man.

        I adhere to a higher power, the Creator of all things including yourself. So shake those little fist as much as you want it won’t stop you from standing before God one day when your life ends.

        Revelation 20:11-15 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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      61. No, atheistic humanism is a worldview, not a religion. Again, you seem to need to pretend other people are like you with your silly faith. Happily we are not like you at all.

        Repeating baseless claims doesn’t make them true.

        And poor WTAT, he fears science so much but uses it. What a hypocrite.

        I don’t care what a religion like Christianity says since it is all baseless opinion of humans. So much for your delusions that a “higher power” agrees with you.

        Your silly sadistic fantasies about the “end times” fail just like they have failed for Christians for the last 2000+ years.

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      62. Repeating baseless claims doesn’t make them true.

        Yet this is the VERY worn-out tactic of Christians. Again and again and again.

        Attention Christians! It’s not working! Maybe you should “give it up!”

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      63. religion: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious (relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity) attitudes, beliefs, and practices

        This is what you have. I do not. It is a poor debater who has to try to change the meaning of words when they are failing.

        It is common for a Christian to try to claim everyone is “really” like them. That is just one more lie.

        You still show you have no idea what the BBT is or what secular humanism is.

        Thanks for repeatedly showing that your truths are entirely relative, WTAT since you ignore your bible when you feel like it. So much for your truths and your god. Both imaginary.

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      64. You have self worship, you worship yourself as god. But to tell you the truth your not, your sinful, depraved and morally bankrupted.

        This is why you need Jesus Christ for salvation.

        Philippians 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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  2. Their site boast 7500 plus subscribers and yet sine their first post in Dec 2018 they have no more than 60 or seventy comments!
    Whereas I have 640 followers(half I’m sure are drive-by clicks, and have hundreds of comments over the same period!
    Do these a-holes buy subscribers?

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  3. I am impressed.
    I may hang on to this one for future reference.
    While I seldom get directly involved with such discussions (I don’t avoid them either), this is a great learning experience for me. Well done!

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  4. I commented on three of the points and still in moderation the past couple of days. He already knows what we think, it’s in his mainstream talking points. Why not go to the source and find out for himself what we truly think?

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  5. I picked off this list also. My answers are similar to yours, yet different. I’ll delay publishing mine till fall. I have a couple of others that I want to smack with a dirty diaper first. Nice responses! 🙂
    I have achieved fame in my own mind. I made a couple of responses on a Thumper’s site…. and he turned off comments. 🙄

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    1. You mean the same meglomaniacal monster that, according to the work of historical fiction you call the Old Testament drowned every human on the planet save for one incestuous family?
      Yeah … now that’s a ”bloke” you want to work for, right?

      Tell, us TWAT, do you have to take lessons to be such an ignorant Nob or does such rank stupidity come with the territory of being a Christian?

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      1. unsurprising. to interpret scared Christian-ese – “playing games” = “I have no response so I’m going to lie” and “foul language” = “I have nothing so I’m going to try to whine about politeness”

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    2. That’s such a pathetic lie, WTAT.

      We have Christians who are either admitting their god is utterly impotent (and evidently imaginary) when it comes to a virus or who are lying and claiming they can heal it or just not get it at all because of “god”, lying and putting other people in danger.

      The truth is out and Christianity has failed miserably.

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      1. Makes no difference to me what other people say, those ‘people’ are false converts just as you were a false convert.

        Not everyone who says they’re a Christian really are. You should know that. Hope you remain well. God bless.

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      2. I know, WTAT. You aren’t a Christian at all since you can’t do what the bible says all baptized believers in Christ as savior can do. You are just a liar and wannabee. Just like all of those so-called Christians that you want to claim are “false converts”. You are just like them, nothing special at all.

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      3. Learn context, this is why I can tell you were never saved to begin with. There’s a lot of false converts out there who were never saved to begin with, all they were was religious.

        You believe the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything. God bless, keep praying that you come to Christ for salvation.

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      4. again, WTAT still can’t show this magical “context”. WTAT is religious and tries to pretend he is not so he can feel extraspecial.

        We do not know yet how the universe began. What we do know is that physics points to a singularity, which isn’t “nothing”. WTAT’s willful ignorance shows him to be an intentional liar and to be ignoring his bible as is convenient for him.

        Your prayers still fail.

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      5. I’ll keep you in my prayers that you and your family are keep safe for your sake. I don’t want you to perish in your sins.

        John 3:18-19 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

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      6. No one needs you, your worthless prayers or your god, WTAT. It’s obvious you are a failure since people still continue to die from the virus.

        ah, and more worthless claims from your bible. Your bible says that one unforgiveable sin is saying that the holy spirit doesn’t exist and that the bible is full of lies. So, there we go, prayers are garbage and your prayers can’t work because of your god supposedly said so. Ah, aren’t contradictions great!

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      7. your god does nothing. and more pointless bible verses don’t make magic happen.

        it’s such a sad thing to see a Christian so desperate to take credit for the actions of others. How selfish and ignorant.

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      8. No one loves another when having fantasies that make the other deserving of eternal torture because you are hurt that they don’t agree with you.

        And, here we are again with WTAT admitting his prayers do nothing at all. Who wants eternal life with a incompetent god?

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      9. again, WTAT, what is sin and why should we believe your version? And I’ve not blamed another person about anything. Nice lie though.

        “You’re sin is what makes you ‘ deserving of eternal torture‘. you’ll never be saved because you blame everyone else for your own sins.
        Own up to your own sins and God will have mercy on you. God bless” – WTAT

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      10. JC said he “fulfilled” the law. alas for WTAT, fulfill means put in to practice in this context since it makes no sense for ol’ JC to say I’ve come to end the law and don’t think I’ve come to end the law. Ah, the things that Christians do to avoid having to do what their messiah supposedly said. Well, that does explain why none of them can do the “greater works” like JC promised. You screw up, you don’t get the magic prizes.

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      11. No, it means He completed the requirements put forth by God. The Law condemns you and anyone else who’s not saved.

        For us believers we are not under the Law anymore because Christ saved us and redeemed us from under the Law.

        Romans 8:1-6 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.

        Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

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      12. Nope, Matthew 5 doesn’t say anything at all about JC fulfilling any “requirements” of this god. “17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter,not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”

        Always fun when a Christian tries to lie about what the bible says and shows just how inept he is at that.

        Paul often contradicts JC so I’m not surprised. Most Christians really should be called Paulians. Paul fits JC’s description of a anti-christ very well, with false claims of JC returning in a time period that Paul claims to know.

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      13. the doorknob did reply to you, and with the same inanity as usual. His post go straight to trash.

        He’s just made up his own christianity so he can pretend that there are no problems with it.

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    1. I doubt that very much, WTAT. Real concern is not followed up by a desperate attempt to scare people into agreeing with you and your failed religion.

      We have Christians who are either admitting their god is utterly impotent (and evidently imaginary) when it comes to a virus or who are lying and claiming they can heal it or just not get it at all because of “god”, lying and putting other people in danger.

      The truth is out and Christianity has failed miserably.

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      1. no one is impress by your further lies and useless actions, WTAT. Prayers fail. But heck, if you do think you can heal people, I do expect you to pray and heal everyone in the US by 6 AM tomorrow Eastern Daylight Time. Surely you can, right? Your bible promises that any baptized beleiver in Christ as savior can heal and do miracles just like Jesus did per the bible.

        You of course can’t do any of these things. Just one more failure.

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      2. and again, WTAT can’t show this “context” he natters about. Just more attempts at throwing shit at a wall and hoping it sticks.

        It must be sad to realize that you believe in something that wants nothing to do with you, if it exists at all.

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      3. Yep, I have plenty of supplies. I’ve helped out my neighbors. You know, since there is no magic god doing anything.

        No need for your god, WTAT. But exactly what is it doing about this virus, you know the one it can’t stop. Why aren’t you out there healing people? Yes, I know you’ll whine “context” but you have yet to show the context that says Christians can’t heal. All you bible says is that they can. It also says that all prayers will be answered as asked. So, why aren’t prayers working on the virus? What excuses do you have again?

        Is it wrong?

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      4. no reason to think you wish anything good for anyone. As long as you cling to a very sadistic religion that has to imagine anyone not following it deserving of eternal torture, you are inhumane.

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      5. man god grant you the grace to be saved. — Been there, done that. But of course if you’re of a certain religious persuasion, I was either never saved or still am. Either way, I like my life a WHOLE LOT better now than I ever did “then.”

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      6. A true believer would never fall away, the issue is you think it’s about ‘religion’, it’s not.

        ‘I like my life a WHOLE LOT better now than I ever did then.’

        Matthew 16:25-26 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

        Speaks volumes about where your heart is, but by God’s grace you can be saved.

        Do you believe you’re a good?

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      7. A true believer would never fall away — See? This is exactly what I said in my comment. You believe once saved, always saved. Others disagree and say I’m a “backslider.” — meaning yes, I was saved but now I’ve “fallen away” and will need to repent all over again before I can return to the fold.

        Chrisitanity is nothing but a mish-mash of ideas, beliefs, teachings, preachings, guesses (mostly), and personal viewpoints.

        P.S. Quoting scripture accomplishes absolutely NOTHING to an ex-believer so give your fingers a rest.

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      8. A ‘ backslider’ is not the same as ‘ fallen away’.
        Plus a Christian cannot lose their salvation.
        I disagree quoting scripture accomplishes everything .

        I noticed you never did answer my question.
        Are you a good person?

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      9. So when you say “a Christian cannot lose their salvation,” that MUST mean I’m still saved. Oh Hallelujah! *doing the happy dance* I’m going to heaven, I’m going to heaven. Yippee … yippee! Get to be totally bored for a few thousand years. Can hardly wait!

        BTW, I’m not the one to answer your question since “good” is a descriptive word that others use. I would, instead, describe myself as a happy person. Especially since I no longer feel obligated to live by the rules set out in a several thousand year old book … or in a way that “others” tell me I should.

        Would you describe yourself as a “good” person?

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      10. No I never said you’re saved, you’re trying to put words in my mouth and therefore, you’re not telling the truth.

        Only if you were truly saved true conversion. But by their fruits you shall know them.

        1. Can I ask in you’re opinion what makes a person a Christian?

        2. You’re a happy person, I’ll refraise the question. Do you believe you’re a moral person and upright?

        No I’m not a good person. But I have salvation

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      11. “No I’m not a good person. But I have salvation”

        in that Christians can’t agree on what salvation consists of, your claim is at best presumputous, and at the worse just a lie.

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      12. Not true. Salvation is a free gift found through faith alone in Christ alone.

        Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

        God bless.

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      13. Sorry but if you’re trying to pull the Calvanism card then you’re wrong again. The Bible doesn’t teach that. You need to understand context, the deeper things of God.

        Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

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      14. So, WTAT, please do tell us what morals your god wants and how you can show that you know and no one else does. Christians don’t agree and make up their god and its morals in their image.

        That you aren’t one of these:”12 Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If in my name you ask me for anything, I will do it.”

        for all of the verses WTAT quotes, he never quotes these ones that show he is a failure and not a Christian at all.

        What is a Christian, WTAT? Why can’t Christians agree?

        How could you tell that me or Nan weren’t Christians if we didn’t tell you? We know that no one can tell who a Christian is by their actions since they are the same as any humans.

        Well, maybe by the going to church part, but funny how you all insist that other churches are not Christian if they don’t agree with you.

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      15. Well, since poor WTAT has been running around trying avoid answering, we’re going to with answering these questions from WTAT.

        1. Can I ask in you’re opinion what makes a person a Christian?

        Nothing more than their own words. Since people who claim that they are “christian” can’t agree on what that term means, it has become meaningless.

        2. You’re a happy person, I’ll refraise the question. Do you believe you’re a moral person and upright?

        I know I’m a moral person since I have my own happily subjective morals that I stand by. This does pose a problem for self-described christians since they all claim that their morality is their god’s but can’t show this to be the case.

        I’m waiting.

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      16. ‘I know I’m a moral person since I have my own happily subjective morals that I stand by. This does pose a problem for self-described christians since they all claim that their morality is their god’s but can’t show this to be the case.’

        So you believe in relativism.

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      17. “I love this. You can’t answer the question so you toss insults that’s the mark of someone who has already lost.”

        alas for WTAT, this is a recording medium and he chooses to try to lie about what is written here.

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      18. and WTAT lies again when he tries to claim I haven’t answered his questions. Again, WTAT, if this is true, then you can cut and paste in what questions I haven’t answered.

        Waiting. I do indeed make absolute statements since I don’t have to be some “authority” to do so. All poor WTAT has is the courtier’s replythe courtier’s replythe courtier’s reply.

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      19. Many Old Testament passages refer to a final regathering of Israel, both back to the land and to God (Isa 11:11-12; 27:12-13; 49:5-7; Jer 31:7-12). This is confirmed in Romans 11:25-29, where Israel’s election as a future redeemed people is also stated. From Mark 13, we see that there will be those chosen of God as His faithful witnesses (first, a Jewish remnant, then also Gentiles – see Rev 7) who are saved/preserved through the great tribulation period to enter into His glorious kingdom; there will also be a wonderful repentance and restoration of Israel as a chosen people/nation at the revelation of Christ at the climax of that period. Mark 13:27 suggests a gathering from all parts of the earth; whether scattered because of tribulation persecution, or the dispersed of Israel centuries ago. The “elect” of Mark 13:27 are God’s redeemed people: first restored Israel, and then also those of all nations who receive the gospel of His kingdom. The expression, “and to the uttermost part of heaven,” may also embrace the martyred tribulation saints, as well as Old Testament saints, who will be raised from the dead at Jesus Christ coming to reign (Dan 12:2-3, 13; Rev 20:4-6).

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      20. Yep, your bible makes a lot of claims about the “end times”. And funny how it’s never happened, and Christians find themselves repeatedly reinterpreting the bible to try to make it so they don’t have to die and get to be the generation when your silly messiah comes back. You all claim that you’ll be part of the “elect”, and you try to claim no one else will be if they don’t agree with you.

        yep, not impressive.

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      21. You don’t properly understand eschatology.
        These are not the ‘end times’ these are the days leading up to the ‘end times’ or ‘beginning of sorrows’.

        Matthew 24:6-8 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

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      22. and again we have a Christian saying that I don’t “properly understand eschatology” when he only means, I don’t agree with him and his baseless claims.

        still more nonsense where Christians can’t agree and make fools of themselves yet again.

        alas for WTAT and all of those Christians, we’ve had wars, and earthquakes, famines and pestilence for millions of years in various amounts and every time a Christian gets excited taht their end times are coming, they show that they are wrong. What complete idiots.

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      23. I’m excited because I see that Jesus Christ is closer to coming for His people. Therefore, that does excite me, but I greive for people such as yourself who have hardened their heart to the truth of God’s word and promises.

        2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

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      24. I’m not putting words into your mouth. What you said is “a Christian cannot lose their salvation,” I was a Christian. Thus, according to your statement, I’m still saved. NOW … if you try to tell me I was never a Christian, you are JUDGING me (Matthew 7:1). But of course, the whole question is pointless since, in reality, there is nothing to be saved from.

        And that verse you threw out there about fruits? Exactly what, in your opinion, are the “fruits” that would qualify me as a True Christian™?

        Answers to your questions:

        1. There is an answer in the scriptures that would probably be the one you’re looking for. But, IMO, there are no Christians because there is no “God” and the bible is a book of fiction. It’s simply a title that people like to tack onto themselves because they believe in fairy tales.

        2. “Moral” is defined as Concerned with principles of right and wrong or conforming to standards of behavior and character based on those principles, so yes, I am “moral” since I’m concerned about doing the right thing. (Of course, your next question would be … what it the “right thing.” HaHa) And yes, I’m upright since I stand in a vertical position.

        It’s dinnertime where I live so ‘toodles’ for now.

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      25. Please read the verses in context, this is the atheist most fav verse to quote. Let’s read more than 1 verse in context yes?

        Matthew 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

        This is speaking of hypocritical judgement, for instance if I told you not to drink beer. And later when no one was around I drank beer then I would be a hypocrite. These verse is not saying you cannot judge, it’s saying only righteous judgement is acceptable.

        Notice ‘Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye’.

        Example: If I used to be a drunkard and overcame my addition through Christ, I can now tell you how wrong it is to be a drunkard.

        ‘“Moral” is defined as Concerned with principles of right and wrong or conforming to standards of behavior and character based on those principles, so yes, I am “moral” since I’m concerned about doing the right thing. (Of course, your next question would be … what it the “right thing.” HaHa) And yes, I’m upright since I stand in a vertical position.’

        1. So what’s the ‘right thing’. If there is no God then what’s the purpose to doing the ‘right thing’. Your world view doesn’t allow for morality because if there’s no God then what’s your standard of morality? Where does your morality come from?

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      26. few are more hypocritical than Christians like WTAT. He wants so much to judge but that gets in the way of him trying to claim how humble he is. He then tries to claim that it is his imaginary god that is judging, not really him.

        the “right” thing per your bible is murdering all non-christians, killing children and telling slaves to never try to be free. I’m quite happy to leave that nonsense behind.

        Please do show your standard of morality, WTAT. Explain why your god’s morals change from generation to generation thanks to “interpretation”.

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      27. “Never said I was ‘special’.
        Prove your claim in which I said ‘I’m special’.” – WTAT

        and here we go with the conservative Christian wanting to try to play the “but but I didn’t say it literally, so you are wrong” game. Sorry, WTAT, when you try to claim you are better than others and are “saved”, as if we care, you are claiming you are a good person and “special”. that’s what comes from the lie of claiming you are one of the “chosen”.

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      28. I never said I’m special (those were your words), I’m just in a better position than you are. And I hope and pray that you realise how frail you are in the face of this global crisis.

        I truly hope you stay well, and tell you not to gamble with your life. Jesus Christ offers you eternal life.

        The Stansberry Investor Hour on 18th March, financial adviser and author Dan Ferris said, “I’m praying – literally, for the first time in decades. I’ve been an atheist for years. But literally, I was on my hands and knees, with my head bowed and my hands folded earlier this week, saying, ‘Please, if you’re out there man, we get it. We’re fragile. We don’t need any more of this.’ As you can tell, I’m at a loss.”

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      29. now we are back to WTAT trying to claim that only he can tell who a “TrueChristian”(tm) is.

        Most people are better than you, WTAT. They don’t need to pretend that people who don’t agree with them deserve eternal torture. I’m one of those good people.

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      30. Poor WTAT, has to believe that he is special and that no one is a good person other than him for he must think he is good since his god “chose” him. amazing how this world gets by with just us supposedly “not good” people taking care of each other.

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      31. and here we go with the conservative Christian wanting to try to play the “but but I didn’t say it literally, so you are wrong” game. Sorry, WTAT, when you try to claim you are better than others and are “saved”, as if we care, you are claiming you are a good person.

        It’s even better when you claim that no matter what you do, you are always saved. Isn’t it great when you can invent something that allows you to be a twit?

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      32. I’m not better than anyone.
        Prove I said ‘I’m better than anyone’ because you lie and that sin.

        I’m in a better position or better off (that I will say) than you because of my salvation, but I’m not better than you or anyone else.

        Prove your case.

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      33. Sigh. WTAT you claim you are one of the “chosen”, so yep, there you go claiming you are better than anyone and are special. Oh and thanks for saying you are indeed better than everyone thanks to your imaginary salvation. You see, WTAT, I don’t play games with Christians like you. You get called on your ignorance and arrogance.

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      34. I never said I’m better is that all you can say? I wish for you to have the same as me but you think you’re “good”. But you’re not because you’re lost.

        Hosea 4:1-3 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because [there is] no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood. Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.

        We definitely see just a small taste of what’s to come upon the earth. For your sake I hope you get saved.

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      35. WTAT needs to pretend only he is worthy. As we’ve seen, there is no reason to think he has any idea what a “good” person could be. He judges everything depending if they agree with him or not.

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      36. I never gave my thoughts because it seems all the latest are afraid to answer the question. Therefore, they divert and stall by not answering and tossing insults.

        Which is just proof that you can validate you claims. God bless

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      37. “I never gave my thoughts because it seems all the latest are afraid to answer the question. Therefore, they divert and stall by not answering and tossing insults.
        Which is just proof that you can validate you claims. God bless”

        Aka WTAT has no thoughts. Thanks for saying my claims are validated.

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      38. Aw, WTAT now has to run away from his prayers doing anything. How expected. Thanks, WTAT, for ending up where you have to run away since you know your god will do nothing with your prayers.

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      39. God is longsuffering wishing that none should perish.

        2 Peter 3:8-10 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

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      40. no evidence you are saved or a Christian at all, WTAT. You can’t do what baptized believers in Christ as savior are promised to be able to do. You are here to try to impress me and try to get me to agree with your version of Christianity.

        failed on both counts. I see only the approval of those who I respect. I don’t respect you or the silly god you have invented.

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      41. I’m not a Charismatic, charismatism is false and you don’t understand that those were “signs” which were to authenticate the apostles when the Gospel was first preached.

        That’s not for this dispensation, please learn what the Bible teaches. This is how cults like Mormons, JW and others come about through people like yourself who don’t know the scriptures. A carnal mind cannot understand the things of God, they are foolishness unto them.

        1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

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      42. You are no one’s friend, WTAT. You fantasize that everyone has to agree with you or deserves eternal torture.

        No one needs a “friend” like that. A selfish hateful little boy.

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      43. Oh never I know that many will not.
        You should know this.

        But it’s not on me for anyone to be saved even though many will find themselves in hell by their own choice.

        It’s simple reject the one who gives life (God) and the only other choice is death. All who are without Christ are already condemned.

        John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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      44. and here we go with the Christian using the “I am/was only following orders” when it comes to their sad little sadistic fantasies. WTAT’s bible says he’s wrong when he claims that peopel end up in hell by their own choice. WTAT again ignores what he wants to.

        Why a Christian tries to lie about the bible is beyond me especially when many atheists know their bible better than the poseur Christian.

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      45. election aka chosen. Which religion’s version do you want?

        “”Most simply, corporate election refers to the choice of a group, which entails the choice of its individual members by virtue of their membership in the group. Thus, individuals are not elected as individuals directly, but secondarily as members of the elect group. Nevertheless, corporate election necessarily entails a type of individual election because of the inextricable connection between any group and the individuals who belong to it. Individuals are elect as a consequence of their membership in the group.””

        or

        “”Divine election may be defined as that loving and merciful decision by God the Father to bestow eternal life upon some, but not all, hell-deserving sinners. . . . One does not enter the ranks of the elect by meeting a condition, be it faith or repentance. One enters the ranks of the elect by virtue of God’s free and altogether gracious choice, as a result of which he enables us to repent and believe.”

        or

        “Romans 9-11 indicates that God shows saving mercy to whom he pleases and that He pleases to show this saving mercy to those who put faith in Jesus Christ. Thus election is conditional and faith is the condition. 4. This election is ‘according to foreknowledge’ (1 Peter 1:2), where ‘foreknowledge’ may mean ether prescience, foresight, or foreplanning—or a blending of all three. 5. For the elect God has ‘foreordained’ (KJV, ‘predestinated’) certain salvation blessings (Romans 8:29, 30, Ephesians 1:3-14). 6. In election and foreordination, everything is grounded on, and in accord with, the sovereign will (= good pleasure, purpose, counsel) of God (Ephesians 1:3-14).”

        Do show us which is the “right” one, WTAT and explain how yuo know you are right and eveyrone else is wrong.

        Surely that can’t be too hard, can it?

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      46. Romans 11:26, “All Israel shall be saved.”

        This statement occurs in the dispensational section of Romans (chapters 9-11) where Israel is mentioned 12 times as the main subject. Chapter 9 shows God’s sovereignty in Israel’s past election. Chapter 10 reveals God’s righteousness in Israel’s present rejection, because of refusing the gospel and their Messiah Jesus Christ. Chapter 11 unveils God’s wisdom and faithfulness in Israel’s future restoration as a nation. God cast off Israel nationally, not individually and finally (11:2). Paul was an Israelite, in the remnant called out to form part of the church with believing Gentiles (those in Christ) “according to the election of grace” (11:5). “Blindness in part is happened to Israel…” (11:25). The unbelieving in Israel have been blinded. Those Jews who have believed the gospel had the veil removed from their minds. In like manner, “All Israel shall be saved” nationally, not individually. All believers in Israel who repent and accept the Lord Jesus as their Messiah will inherit the kingdom. Unbelievers in the nation will be destroyed at the second advent of Christ (Zechariah 13:8, 9). The setting aside of Israel was according to divine purpose (Hosea 3:4, 5; Acts 15:14-18), but only “until the fulness of the Gentiles (believers gathered from the Gentiles during this church age, the many days,” Hosea 3:4) be come in.”

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      47. always notable when WTAT tries to pass off someone else’s words as his own in his pasting of the information about Romans 11:26. The style and word use are entirely differnt. How typically dishonest. Just more Christians disagreeing with other Christians, trying to convince themselves that they are the “real” chosen people and making nonsense up to fit with what they want to pretend now.

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      48. You always try to discredit by tossing out insults instead of just dealing with the question.

        You’ve still yet to answer anything I asked about your morality, you last said you get it from society.

        Was Hitler wrong for what he did to the Jews?
        The Jews are the chosen nation, but Gentiles also are chosen what part of that you don’t understand?

        You thought I subscribed to a certain view point called Calvinism, that’s why you tried to pull that scripture. Plus you’re proving to be a hypocrite quoting scriptures you don’t believe in.

        Why don’t you prove your point from an atheistic view point why borrow from the Christian world view?

        Here I’ll write some more on Romans 11:26 for your understanding so that you can learn proper hermeneutics of scripture. Even though you don’t believe it.

        Romans 11:26 – Israel’s judicial blindness will be removed at the time of the Rapture, but that does not mean all of Israel will be saved immediately. Jews will come to faith in Christ following there conversion throughout the Great Tribulation Period. But the entire elect remnant will not be saved until Jesus Christ returns to earth as Lord of lords and King of kings.

        The apostle Paul makes mention of this saying that all Israel will be saved, this means all believing Israelites who make up the nation. The unbelieving portion of the nation will be destroyed at the Second Advent of Christ Jesus (Zech 13:8, 9). Only those who profess ‘Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord’ will allowed to enter into the kingdom.

        This was mentioned by the prophet Isaiah when we spoke of the Redeemer coming to Zion and turning transgressions/iniquity away from Jacob (Isa 59:20). It’s not Christ’s coming to Sion (The Second Coming).

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      49. Nope, WTAT, I present facts about you. If you consider them insulting, then you might want to change your actions.

        You are lying again when you claim I haven’t answered questions. But we can try this again.

        1. If so then was the genocide of Jews by Hitler right or wrong?
        2. If societies standard drastically changed to a conflicting view of what your standard is today, would you embrace it or not?

        1. It was wrong. Society’s morals against that had us in a world war.
        2. No, I would not since that standard would be harmful to civilization. I’m quite happy to have my subjective morality which I am responsible for

        You claim this, WTAT: “My standards as you most likely guessed comes from God. Which is a higher authority than governments, society or human’s who change their morals all the time.”

        Funny how those morals of Christians have changed over time to ignore what their god approves of. Your god as written in the bible has no problem with killing children for their parents’ actions, no problem commanding and committing genocide, has no problem in killing people for the actions of a pharaoh that this god is mind controlling, has no problem in telling slaves to remain slaves and never try to seek freedom even from a cruel master, etc. No evidence of god, no evidence of authority. And since Christians can’t agree on what morals they want to claim this god has, no reason to believe that any of them, including you, are right. No evidence to show that WTAT is special.

        No, I think you must make up nonsense all of the time. You jump from one thing to another as you make up your religion in your image, just like every other theist.

        And I can post scriptures for the perfect reason, that I don’t believe in them and I can show you ignore them at your convenience. Poor WTAT, tries to convince me not to show his bible and himself wrong by trying to lie and call me a hypocrite. That is what an atheist does when showing a Christian to be a failure.

        Poor WTAT, again tries to claim that only Christians are good and special. Sorry, dear, you don’t have a lock on a worldview. Such a shame that you again try to lie against facts. There have been good and humane people around far longer than your ignorant writers of the bible.
        Nothing about what you say is true or “proper”, WTAT. You are just trying again to pretend you are some authority and I should care about that. Other Christians disagree with you and ignore you. Why should I care? You make nonsense up just like they do. So post all the verses you want and your very own “special” interpretations. Big whoop.

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      50. Great.
        1. It was wrong. Society’s morals against that had us in a world war.

        How can you say Hitler was wrong when the society he lived in was perfectly fine with what he was doing. He came into power through the system and the entire country was in agreement with him.

        That makes you a hypocrite because you have no basis to say he was wrong if your authority is society.

        2. No, I would not since that standard would be harmful to civilization. I’m quite happy to have my subjective morality which I am responsible for

        So truth for you changes, its relative. If you claim murder is wrong and someone else claims its not then who’s right?

        You’re borrowing from a Christian worldview.
        I can say murder is wrong because God says it is, I can condemn the acts of Hitler because all murder is wrong.

        You cannot because your “truth” changes with society. And if the majority says murder is good then you have no choice but to go with the flow. Sad really to see how far away people have gone, that’s what happens when you try to remove God from society.

        We have people in chaos, walking around in darkness, ungodly people who are against “murder” but yet are “pro choice”. How hypocritical it’s INSANE!

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      51. That’s what the typical response is but that’s not what the verse is saying.

        The verse is saying that God chose Jacob/Israel because that was the lieage the Messiah would come through.

        Not that God actually hated Esau. Do you not know that Esau was blessed?

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      52. “That’s what the typical response is but that’s not what the verse is saying.
        The verse is saying that God chose Jacob/Israel because that was the lieage the Messiah would come through.
        Not that God actually hated Esau. Do you not know that Esau was blessed?” – WTAT

        Not per Paul. So are you again saying your bible authors lie?

        nice to see you ignore context when you want, WTAT

        “13 As it is written,
        “I have loved Jacob,
        but I have hated Esau.”
        14 What then are we to say? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses,
        “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
        and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
        16 So it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who shows mercy. 17 For the scripture says to Pharaoh, “I have raised you up for the very purpose of showing my power in you, so that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he chooses, and he hardens the heart of whomever he chooses.”

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      53. It’s speaking of the nations and Paul is talking about how the 2 brothers while still in thier mothers womb done no right or wrong.

        Just shows who God chose for the Messiah to come through in terms of lineage we see this back in Genesis when Esau sold his birth right to Jacob. The election and rejection of a particular person “loved”, and another “hated”, speaks of Jacob and Esau, not in their own person, but focuses as ancestors Jacob’s people, and Esau’s people; God didn’t condemn Esau.

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      54. I’ve not evaded your questions. If you think I have, ask the question again. If you won’t, then well, we know why.

        I am a good person and why, because I don’t hurt people for my own gain. But do define good, dear WTAT? Is it just what you want your god to approve of? Then “good” is slavery, genocide, killing children. If you say it’s okay for your god to do these things but not okay for humans, then we have your morals subjective, depending on the actor and not the action.

        I get my moral standards from society and happily those usually get better and better. Now, WTAT, where do you get your morals standards from and how can you show the source exists rather than being just your personal hates and desires? Please do explain why we should take your version and not some other self-described Christians?

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      55. ‘ But do define good’
        You can look it up on your own time.

        ‘I get my moral standards from society and happily those usually get better and better.’

        Society is your standard. Ok.
        1. If so then was the genocide of Jews by Hitler right or wrong?

        2. If societies standard drastically changed to a conflicting view of what your standard is today, would you embrace it or not?

        My standards as you most likely guessed comes from God. Which is a higher authority than governments, society or human’s who change their morals all the time.

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      56. “‘ But do define good’
        You can look it up on your own time.”

        And here we have the Christian desperately afraid of defining the word “good” and hoping I won’t note that. What WTAT thinks is good is embarassing for him since we know he supports horrible things done by his god. I define good as kind and benevolent. WTAT would likely claim that anything his god does is good no matter what it is. This is a morality based on might equals right.

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      57. True definition of “good” is moral perfection. Which you and I are not that’s why we need a Saviour. And that Saviour came to save guilty sinners.

        Thank the Lord that I came to that understanding before I died in my sins. You also have that chance if you would humble yourself.

        1 Peter 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

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      58. “True definition of “good” is moral perfection. Which you and I are not that’s why we need a Saviour. And that Saviour came to save guilty sinners. ”

        and again, all that means is that if WTAT agrees with it, it is “moral perfection” and back down to a morality that is nothing more than might equals right.

        You are done here, WTAT. Your failure and lies deserve no more attention. Especially when you are a coward on your own blog.

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  6. @ Club.
    I am somewhat amazed that you tolerate TWAT who is nothing but a Giant Indoctrinated Disingenuous Nob.
    You don’t have to refute his garbage as we all know the bible is Historical Fiction and he’s well on the way to quoting all of it!

    Time to take out the trash? Your place must be overflowing by now!

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    1. Oh, chalk it up to me being really bored. I have little else to do. My two employers (I worked at two non-profits part time) have essentially abandoned me and I only have cleaning up the house, reading, kibitzing online and painting to do. With my anxiety issues, I have to keep busy or I sit and fret.

      I have been having an amusing, if occasionally tedious, time showing how incompetent Colorstorm, CitizenTed and John Branyan are on various blogs. The thoughtlessness and sheer ignorance are something to whet my claws on.

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      1. Plus my incoming mailbox is getting swamped with all the comment notifications… !! Bored or not, is this person really worth this much of your time?

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      2. In my experience, it is usually on their blogs where one is so often handicapped. Moderation is their go to – think Mel and David Robertson as perfect examples.
        Also I utterly loathe any sort of metaphysical approach to this topic.
        Most of these fundy fools eventually show their hand as being ignorant and/or liars. Therefore, they either put up or push off.

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  7. @Club … I admire your tenacity and patience. As for me, it’s simply not worth my time and effort to continue. I have FAR better things to do than knock my head against a religious wall of pure sh__. (Besides, it stinks.)

    Not only that, I’ve gotten to the point where I actually feel sorry for this person. When all a “Christian” can do to is get on a blog and quote scripture, you know they no longer have a life of their own … and that’s sad.

    Anyway, have fun. And don’t get too dizzy going round and round with this twit.

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