Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – forgive me dear reader, I’m bored and will proceed with beating a dead horse

Yet more nonsense from christians and “ministries”. This is from a Jim Weikal on a website for Bill Rudge Ministries, which seems to be the typical conservative christian nationalist group. It’s not terribly far from where I grew up.

There is nothing new here at all. But it’s something for me to do.

this is the standard raft of what christians try:

“1.God provided a written account of His creative work, but the atheist believes the Bible to be a human invention.”

no evidence for this at all. There is nothing about the bible to show it is some work by an omnipotent being. This god is as ignorant as the people who invented it. Add that to the fact that christians can’t figure out what it means to agree on it, and you have nothing to support this claim.

“2. God created this material universe from nothing in six days, but the atheist believes evolutionary processes over billions of years to be the cause.”

Even other christians don’t buy this.

“3.The Bible describes many miraculous accounts in its 66 books, but the atheist believes that miracles can’t happen.”

And surprise, no evidence for them at all. Other supposed ‘holy books” also make magical claims. No evidence for them either.

“4.God raised Jesus from the dead, but the atheist believes the resurrection never occurred.”

Yep, no evidence for this either.

“5.God brought the Jewish people back to Israel after thousands of years, but the atheist believes this return to be nothing more than political coincidence.”

And funny how the clock is running out for this claim. This god did nothing, just the action of guilty feeling countries.

“I feel for the elderly atheist who committed his eternal life to the belief system of this world. But remember, it’s not by lack of evidence. Romans 1:18-20 tells us that people “suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, being understood by what has been made, so that they are without excuse.””

Every cult makes this claim.

Addendum: Hey, I *thought* had had crossed swords with these christians before.

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – questions posed to an atheist

16 thoughts on “Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – forgive me dear reader, I’m bored and will proceed with beating a dead horse

  1. I’m not an atheist as you know, but I align myself with the belief that a god can’t be proven to exist, and that reason, facts and science are how we should make decisions in the larger world. And you can’t get through to these types of Christians. They are either so certain, or inwardly so afraid of being challenged, that they HAVE TO start with the ridiculous idea that the Bible is inerrant and infallible. It’s pretty tiresome, as these types turn out to be the least caring and empathetic people, and show that true Christians can be some pretty damn bad people.

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  2. Right. When any and all gods are removed from the equation, we don’t believe any of it.

    However, even then, evolution and the existence of the Universe/Cosmos are two separate issues. Neither of which, by the way, has anything to do with existence of any deity.

    As for biblical evidence, I doubt if many Christians interpret scripture so literally.
    As for forms of Christianity, most of these types are actually Paulists, holding belief in too high a regard and claiming things not even the Bible says Jesus (a Jew) actually claimed.

    This would be much easier if they (those you argue with) would say, “I believe X because Y.” “You should also believe X because Z.” Belief is important because A, B, and C.”

    Finally, where does the Bible claim that there was “nothing” and 6 days later (measured how?) there was a universe? And if so, what took so long? And was this god really tired, or what?

    And really, really finally, WTF is “nothing” anyway? Did God create his/her/their/it’s self from that nothingness? I have tried but I cannot mentally wrap my head around the concept of “nothing.”

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      1. heh. I’d like to see that done for some poor person who is a burn victim. Hey, if it works, great. If it doesn’t, the frauds should be tarred and feathered.


  3. Yes, this is nothing short of exasperating, making the same arguments with the same horses asses over and over again. “Did Jesus rise from the grave?” “Are the gospels reliable history?” etc., etc., etc. I personally believe a part of the problem is that we let a lot of Christian apologists off the hook with their ridiculous assertions and their insistence that we (atheists) are obligated to prove the negative assertion that a supernatural god does not exist. They are taking the affirmative and it is incumbent upon them to prove the existence of such a deity. William Lane Craig frequently wraps up his debates with something like this: “So, (Hitchens/Ehrman/Dawkins) hasn’t shown any proof that god doesn’t exist so it seems that theism is more a reasonable belief than atheism.” And all without providing even the most scant evidence of any of his beliefs.

    This is clearly horse manure and a cheap way out of an argument they clearly can not win on the merits of their argument or the provision of even a scintilla of proof. They need to be called on this crap. We also need a strong(er) political effort to get their delusional nonsense out of the public sector; schools, libraries, universities, government. We are well into a literal civil war against Christian nationalism and they will continue to pollute our democracy with their childish mythology.

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