You may remember the Kitzmiller v Dover case, where creationists in Pennsylvania tried to sneak in their baseless nonsense into a public school. I live near that place so I got to hear and see lots about it.
A christian is trying to retcon what happened here, claiming that it was only legal, not addressing the supposed scientific basis of “intelligent design”. That is not true. The case was about if intelligent design could be seen as scientific and not as the baseless claims of a religion as are prohibited thanks to the establishment clause. Per the judge, creationism is simply a religious idea, it has no scientific merit.
This is my response to that christian’s claims.
Dover is about 20 minutes from where I live. It was a scientific matter as well as a legal one. It was notable that the creationists were found guilty and were found to be liars. So much for christianity being worth anything.
One of my favorite things that came out of the trial was that creationists were shown to try to lie and claim creationism is “intelligent design”, a lie intended to try to get around the laws that forbid religion being taught in schools. The book under question, “Of Pandas and People”, had a great misprint in it, where the creationists tried to do a find and replace of any references to creationism with a reference to intelligent design. They failed and got “cdesign propentists”. Oopsie.
Behe was also shown as a failure during the trial, a trial presided over by a conservative christian judge. His “irreducible complexity” claims, long disproven as nonsense (and another good refutation of it here), were shown as an attempt at fraud disguised as “science”.
unsurprisingly, intelligent design is creationism, an attempt at a direct lie by some christians. This can be seen in the “wedge document“. It has no scientific basis at all, only baseless claims that can be applied to any magical nonsense. The creationist also has to explain that, if there is intelligent design, why their god was either so stupid or malicious to make DNA that fails often, make our sun give us cancer, and “design” the human body so thousands of humans choke to death every year.
Many christians will claim the “fall”, but that claim makes it impossible for the christian to be able to claim they see “perfection” in the universe as “proof” of their god.
Club Schadenfreude 
It’s probably about time the Wedge Document is renamed the Wedgie Document and see how far it can be shoved up Behe’s arse.
Intelligent design( sic)🤦‍♂️
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It (they) will never go away. And they will never stop trying to stuff their religious beliefs down everyone’s throat. Doing so is part of the exercising of Christianity. Which is why so many atheists are angry. They just will not stop.
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yep, and unsurprisingly, I get this from the creationist, desperately ignoring the wedge document:
“It’s important to emphasize that the trial had a specific legal focus: whether teaching intelligent design alongside evolution violated the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause, which separates church and state. The trial’s outcome, which deemed this approach unconstitutional, pertained to the question of whether it was suitable for public school curricula.
However, it’s crucial to note that this legal decision doesn’t inherently invalidate the entire concept of intelligent design from a scientific standpoint. Proponents of intelligent design argue that it’s a legitimate scientific perspective, distinct from religious creationism. They maintain that it raises questions about the complexity of life and the natural world. While the trial pointed out instances of questionable tactics by some proponents, these actions do not, by default, negate the scientific questions raised by intelligent design.
The “cdesign propentists” misprint in the book “Of Pandas and People” is a peculiar incident, but it should not be taken as a conclusive argument against the concept of intelligent design as a whole. It was a specific, albeit odd, attempt that doesn’t represent the entire body of work within the intelligent design movement.”
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“God did it” is not science. It’s religion. It must be taught as religion to be valid in any curriculum. ID is not science. Period!
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Love!
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thanks!
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I see you are a cat lover. we have thirteen, rather inadvertently, thanks to two momma cats who showed up.
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I am a cat lover. Ours have passed now and we are not planning on anymore pets. They were amazing. 🙂
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I know the feeling. I’m in my late 50s, and figured that after these guys pass on, I’ll adopt older kitties as I get older.
and they are amazing, until the 15 pound one plummets on your chest at 5 in the morning. 🙂
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What’s up friedshueman? I kinda miss your banter.
Too bad you don’t control the depth, cause this site could use a whole lot of it.
At least you still control the up and down, though.
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Ben, you do such a great job of showing how petty and ignorant christians can be. No idea what you are nattering about with “friedshueman” and “shuemen-antics”.
it’s notable that you seem to be desperate for my attention. Tsk, much the same post with in four minutes of each other.
and of course, Ben can’t show that I’m wrong at all in the blog posts he’s chosen to comment on, unable to give any refutation.
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