Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – a response to yet another Christian

Just keeping this since it took some time to type. Nothing much, if anything new. Memes at the end if you just to scroll down.

For all the claims that this post was a “A Reasoned Christian Answer to Claims of No Evidence for God’s Existence.”  It fails mightily.  

This post is a response to a common meme which says “I don’t hate god, I’m not angry with him, I don’t love evil.  I just don’t see anything that counts as real evidence for his existence.  IF you have some, show me.  But until you can do that, please don’t act like you are a better person than I am.”  

Christians do hate to be called on their nonsense.   Let’s see what the Christian (thepost is anonymous) has to say.

They want to see this meme as an invitation, and indeed it is.   However, they always fail to provide what is asked for.  They try to claim that their god wants reasoned engagement, and yet this god says believe or eternal torture, nothing else.   That isn’t reasoned engagement.  They tout how this god gave evidence with Thomas, but can’t explain why it can’t do the same now. 

We don’t need cultists telling us what is true, we need evidence.   And they have none, be they Christians, muslims, jews, hindus, etc. 

The author claims to be thoughtfully addressing the plaint in the meme and alas only trots out the same old long defeated nonsense. 

“1. “I don’t hate God… I don’t love evil… I just don’t see anything that counts as real evidence.”

The writer’s claim not to hate God or love evil is significant. Many Christians unintentionally assume that unbelief reflects moral corruption or spiritual hostility. While the Bible does teach that sin affects the human condition universally, it does not teach that every person who questions God is consciously rejecting Him. There is a meaningful distinction between willful rebellion and genuine uncertainty. For some, unbelief derives not from anger toward God but from a lack of exposure to compelling evidence or an inability to reconcile faith with intellectual integrity. Recognizing this allows Christians to approach conversations about faith with greater empathy.

Scripture affirms that people can fail to perceive God’s presence not because evidence is absent but because the capacity to interpret that evidence is shaped by worldview assumptions.”

This the whole you aren’t born again so you can’t see the “evidence” they claim exists.  All cults make much the same claim: “Believe and then you’ll accept whatever we tell you.” 

“Romans 1:20 asserts that creation clearly reveals God’s eternal power and Godhead, yet not all people perceive this revelation as obvious. For some, the order, beauty, and intelligibility of the universe speak powerfully of a Creator; for others, these same phenomena appear explainable through natural processes alone. The difference is not always willful blindness; it often reflects prior intellectual commitments, life experiences, or emotional barriers.

However, the Bible also teaches that creation was designed to point every person toward God. The apostle Paul describes nature as a continual testimony: “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made” (Romans 1:20). This means that the physical world is filled with signs of God’s existence embedded not only in the vastness of the cosmos but in the intricacies of the human mind, the laws of physics, and the universal longing for meaning. Over centuries, many scientists and philosophers—from Isaac Newton to C. S. Lewis—have testified that the more closely they examined the natural world, the more convinced they became of a divine Creator.”

And here we have the tedious claims of how Romans 1 is all we need.  Alas, all cults also make much the same argument:  reality is evidence for my god.   Alas, not a single one can show this to be the case.   Unsurprisngly, despite this supposed examination, no god is to be found.

“Another powerful line of evidence presented in Scripture is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Christianity is unique among world religions in claiming that its central figure publicly died and bodily rose again. The New Testament describes the resurrection as a historical, verifiable event: “He shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs” (Acts 1:3). Paul even appealed to hundreds of living eyewitnesses (1 Corinthians 15:6), inviting skeptics of his time to investigate the claim themselves. If the resurrection truly occurred, then it provides overwhelming evidence for God’s existence. If it did not, Christianity collapses. The faith is thus grounded on a falsifiable historical event, not on subjective religious experience.”

Yep, the same old arguments.  This is the “my magic book says this so it’s true and you have to believe it.”   Sorry, dears, there is no evidence to support the claim e.g. the story.   Paul’s witnesses are never to be heard from, despite his claims.  Weren’t they impressed?  And telling a population that rarely traveled is no invitation at all. 

The event is falsifiable, and is false since not a single person noticed this jesus despite the claims of him being famous around the middle east, and not one person noticed the events around him.  It’s rather hard to not notice the dead jews wandering around during a Passover in a rebellious province/city. 

2. “If you have some, show me.”

The request for evidence is reasonable. Christianity does not demand blind faith, nor does the Bible endorse it. The Scriptures consistently encourage people to examine God’s works, consider His promises, and test His claims. When Philip told Nathanael about Jesus, he did not insist on unquestioning belief. Instead, he simply said, “Come and see” (John 1:46). This open invitation reflects the spirit of biblical faith: an invitation to observe, investigate, and engage.

Jesus Himself welcomed scrutiny. When John the Baptist expressed doubt near the end of his life, Jesus did not rebuke him. Instead, He pointed John’s disciples to evidence: “Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see” (Matthew 11:4). He appealed to miracles, fulfilled prophecy, and the transformation of lives as confirmation of His identity. Christianity’s founder was not threatened by questions; He answered them with truth rooted in works visible to all. This example sets the tone for how Christians should engage with sincere seekers today.”

Actually jesus says to kill those who don’t’ want him as king, so much for “welcoming scrutiny”.  No fulfilled prophecy (jesus fails being the Jewish messiah repeated), no miracles, and any cult transforms lives. 

“The Bible also acknowledges that evidence alone may not persuade a person whose heart is closed, but it affirms that evidence is genuinely available for those who are willing to examine it. Jesus declares, “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine” (John 7:17). This statement reveals a spiritual principle: understanding increases with willingness. It does not mean that Christianity requires emotional bias or credulity; rather, it means that spiritual truth is relational. One does not fully understand a person merely by observing their actions from a distance; understanding deepens through relationship. Similarly, discovering God involves both intellectual inquiry and openness to encounter.”

Yep, it has to do that since there is no evidence.  How convenient for charlatans to try to blame the victims when their song and dance doesn’t work.  Christians can’t even agree on what this god’s “will” even is. 

“Christians sometimes respond to requests for evidence with impatience or defensiveness, but such reactions betray a misunderstanding of Scripture’s own approach. The biblical authors consistently call for thoughtful explanation. Peter instructs believers to be ready always to give an answer with “meekness and fear” (1 Peter 3:15). Paul “reasoned” in synagogues and marketplaces (Acts 17:17). Apollos “mightily convinced” people through Scripture (Acts 18:28). The early church did not fear dialogue; it engaged the world through intellectual, historical, and spiritual reasoning. When someone today says, “Show me evidence,” Christians should respond not with hostility but with the same readiness to explain the hope within them.”

Christians do indeed respond to requests for evidence with impatience and defensiveness, and with ignorance and outright lies.  Some start nice but when they find themselves failing, that veneer quickly falls away.  Paul failed to show his god exists, just like the rest and again there is only a baseless story that says anyone was impressed by him.  Strange how no one seems to have ever known Paul at all, despite his claims of having audiences with kings and emperors etc. 

“3. “But until you can do that, don’t act like you’re a better person than I am.”

In this part of the message, the writer addresses a different problem: not the absence of evidence, but the presence of perceived arrogance among some Christians. Sadly, this complaint is not without basis. At times, believers confuse being redeemed with being superior, forgetting that salvation is a gift of grace rather than an achievement. This misunderstanding leads to attitudes that contradict the heart of the gospel. The Bible is explicit: “There is none righteous, no, not one” (Romans 3:10). No Christian is morally above the unbeliever; all stand equally in need of mercy.”

Christians are arrogant with their nonsense of some imaginary being agreeing with them and only them.  They aren’t “redeemed” they only think they are and again, think that this god agrees with them and only them.  They can’t even agree on what “righteous” means.  And strange how believers must be morally above the unbeliever since they think they can judge others. This false humility always manages to make the Christians look like what they are perceived as. 

“A Christian who acts superior fundamentally misunderstands the nature of the gospel. Salvation is not earned. It is not the reward for greater intelligence, moral strength, or spiritual sensitivity. It is entirely a work of God. Paul writes, “For by grace are ye saved through faith… not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9). This means that boasting of spiritual achievement is incompatible with Christian identity. The believer’s only legitimate claim is that Christ has saved them, not that they were worthy of saving. When Christians forget this, they misrepresent the faith and alienate those they hope to reach.”

here’s where Christians also can’t agree: how someone is saved and who is saved.  Both jesus and paul can’t agree on the method.  Jesus can’t even agree with himself, in some places being shown to say it’s belief and works, in others that it is grace, aka god’s whim. 

“Jesus Himself demonstrated humility in His interactions with skeptics. He welcomed publicans and sinners, spoke gently to the woman at the well, and even prayed for those who crucified Him. He never treated doubt as moral inferiority. The religious leaders who displayed spiritual pride were those He rebuked most sharply, warning that such attitudes were obstacles to entering the kingdom of God. When Christians today act condescendingly, they echo the Pharisees far more than Christ.”

The only skeptics that we are shown in the bible is Thomas, with perhaps Gideon since he repeatedly asked for proof.  This jesus calls a woman a dog so whitewashing jesus doesn’t work very well and again JC says to kill those who don’t accept him.

“The message in the image expresses a legitimate plea: “If you believe in God, do not use that belief as a reason to treat me with contempt.” A Christian response to such a statement should be one of humility and repentance. Believers should acknowledge that some have misrepresented Christianity through arrogance. They should affirm that the gospel teaches equality of human value, not superiority. And they should strive to demonstrate the compassion of Christ through kindness, patience, and gentleness. A humble Christian is far more persuasive than a proud one.”

When a christian claims to be the only right one, then yep, it’s arrogance and not one of these Christians ever doubt that only their version is the right one. 

“4. The Biblical Tension: Evidence Is Real, Yet the Heart Matters

The Bible reveals a profound tension regarding belief in God. On the one hand, Scripture repeatedly affirms that evidence for God is available to all through creation, conscience, prophecy, and the resurrection. On the other hand, the Bible teaches that the human heart affects how evidence is received. This dual perspective avoids the extremes of assuming that unbelief is always stubborn rebellion or that belief is merely an intellectual conclusion. The truth lies in a more nuanced understanding: evidence is real, but its impact is shaped by spiritual condition.”

Yep, it certainly makes that claim.  It doesn’t support it but it makes it.  And again there’s the blaming of the victim when the fraud doesn’t work.

“Creation is described as a universal revelation of God’s existence. Yet Jesus frequently taught that seeing does not guarantee recognizing. He declared, “Seeing they see not” (Matthew 13:13), meaning that evidence may be present without leading to belief if the heart is resistant. This resistance may not always be conscious hostility; it may be shaped by personal pain, negative experiences, or intellectual presuppositions. The Bible never trivializes these factors but acknowledges them as part of the human condition.

At the same time, Scripture insists that God actively draws people toward Himself. Jesus said, “No man can come to me, except the Father… draw him” (John 6:44). This passage is often associated with Calvinist interpretations emphasizing divine initiative. Yet Scripture also emphasizes human responsibility. Jesus cried out, “Ye will not come to me, that ye might have life” (John 5:40), indicating that refusal plays a real role in unbelief. The most balanced interpretation recognizes that both divine grace and human response interact in the process of faith. This avoids the fatalistic implications of strict determinism and the overly autonomous assumptions of some versions of free will.”

The bible also says that this god has already chosen who it will allow to accept it and then damns the rest for no action of their own.  Poof goes free will.  Matthew 13 and Romans 9 destroy the nonsense of those Christians who teach free will.  As usual, the Christians can’t agree on *that* either. 

“Thus, the biblical view of belief respects both the reality of objective evidence and the complexity of subjective experience. It affirms that God gives every person sufficient revelation to seek Him genuinely, while also recognizing that spiritual truth is not perceived in the same way as mathematical formulas. It is relational, moral, and personal. This understanding provides a compassionate framework for engaging skeptics: one that neither blames them for their questions nor pretends that evidence is irrelevant. It acknowledges the whole person: mind, heart, and spirit.”

It doesn’t have any objective evidence, so it doesn’t respect it at all. Again, one is told to believe or else.  The usual wiggle word “genuinely” also pops up here which is used by the Christian to excuse his, and his god’s, failure.  BTW, Christians also can’t agree on what morals their god wants either. 

“5. A Christian Response to the Message

When a Christian encounters the message expressed in the image, the appropriate response begins with listening. Too often, believers rush to defend their faith without first understanding the person’s concerns. Active listening communicates respect and opens the door for meaningful dialogue. Acknowledging the sincerity of the other person’s position is not a compromise of faith; it is a demonstration of Christlike humility. The Bible calls believers to be “swift to hear” before speaking (James 1:19), reminding them that gentle engagement is essential in spiritual conversations.

Once the believer has listened, they may respond by clarifying that Christianity does not view faith as a mark of moral superiority. A Christian can affirm, with all sincerity, that they are not better than the person expressing doubt. They can explain that their own salvation was not earned but received by grace. This posture disarms defensiveness and shifts the conversation away from personal comparison toward truth itself. Humility is one of the most powerful witnesses a believer can offer.”

ROFL.  Actually Christianity does view faith as a mark of moral superiority.  If one doesn’t believe then one is immoral.  “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil. It will be healing to your flesh and refreshment to your bones.” Proverbs 3

“If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.” James 1
 “Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him.” Mark 11

“²⁸ And Peter answered him, “Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you on the water.” ²⁹ He said, “Come.” So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to Jesus. ³⁰ But when he saw the wind,^[e] he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out, “Lord, save me.” ³¹ Jesus immediately reached out his hand and took hold of him, saying to him, “O you of little faith, why did you doubt?” ³² And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased. ³³ And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”” Matthew 14

one has to wonder if they have read their bible at all.

“In responding to the request for evidence, the Christian may share how they themselves came to believe, whether through observing creation, studying historical evidence for the resurrection, encountering the transforming power of Scripture, or experiencing God’s work in their lives. Personal testimony does not replace objective evidence, but it provides a relational context for exploring it. When a believer shares their story with honesty rather than triumphalism, it becomes an invitation rather than an argument.

Finally, the Christian should offer to walk alongside the seeker rather than dictate conclusions. The biblical model for discipleship and evangelism is relational. Jesus invited people to follow Him and learn from Him over time. Conversations about faith should reflect this pattern: patient, ongoing, and grounded in love. A Christian response shaped by humility, clarity, and compassion does not merely address the arguments in the image; it reflects the spirit of Christ Himself.”

All cults have testimony and testimony is worthless.  BTW, when they claim historical evidence, they are lying. 

6. An Invitation to Explore Further

For those who express the sentiment found in the image, Christianity offers a rich landscape for exploration. The historical evidence for Jesus’ resurrection remains one of the most studied and debated events in ancient history. Scholars continue to grapple with the empty tomb, the transformation of the disciples, and the explosive growth of the early church, phenomena difficult to explain apart from a real resurrection. These lines of evidence are not mere theological assertions but subjects of serious academic inquiry. A sincere seeker can engage these materials without abandoning intellectual integrity.”

It certainly has quite a few version of the religion.  There is no historical evidence, and it is notable how these Christians don’t mention a single thing.   There is no empty tomb and Christians can’t even agree on where it is.   If explosive growth is evidence for truth, then Islam is quite a bit more “truthier”.  And no one noticed the events around jesus, so no “phenomena” at all. 

“Philosophical investigations also offer valuable insights. Arguments for a Creator—such as the cosmological argument from the beginning of the universe, the fine-tuning argument from physics, and the moral argument grounded in human conscience—provide rational bases for belief in God. While no philosophical argument compels belief on its own, taken together they form a cumulative case that many thinkers across centuries have found compelling. Christianity does not oppose reason; it engages it deeply.”

These so-called philosophical arguments can be used by any religion, so they are of no use to a religion that can’t show its god exists.  The cosmological argument needs a cause, no god needed here.  The fine tuning argument fails since there is none to be found if the “fall” happened per their myth.  The moral argument fails since even Christians can’t agree on what morals this god wants. 

“Beyond academic or philosophical considerations, Christianity invites individuals to explore Scripture itself. The Bible presents not only theological doctrine but a coherent narrative of human history, divine revelation, and moral truth. It addresses the deepest questions of human existence: purpose, identity, suffering, and destiny. Many skeptics throughout history have come to faith simply by reading the Scriptures with an open mind and encountering the living voice of God through its pages.”

Reading the bible is one of the quickest ways to become an atheist when it comes to the bible god.  Very few Christians have read their bible in its entirety, only listening to what their priest or pastor deigns to tell them. There is no coherent theological doctrine (dozens of version of Christianity) or narrative of human history (not a single essential event can be shown to have happened).  This nonsense claims that stars are little lights on a solid dome that can be knocked off.  We know that isn’t true.  Again, Christians can’t agree on what to follow form the bible; so much for “moral truth”.   Purpose, identity, suffering and destiny are all claims with not a single bit of evidence to support them.  I read with an open mind and here I am, an atheist.  Of course, a Christian would try to lie and claim I wasn’t “genuine”. 

“Finally, Christianity invites personal encounter. While evidence matters, faith ultimately involves relationship with a living God. Countless individuals have found that as they examined the intellectual claims of Christianity, they also sensed a tug on their hearts: a longing for forgiveness, truth, and hope. Jesus promises, “He that seeketh findeth” (Matthew 7:8). The invitation is not to blind belief but to honest seeking. Those who sincerely explore the claims of Christianity often discover that the evidence is not only sufficient but compelling.”

Curiosu how this godnever shows up for any “personal encounters”.   It only humans making noise, never this god.  No tugging, just the false claims of the cult and no one who wants to remain a chritsian will admit that they happen to lack this “tug”.  I sought and surprise, found nothing at all, despite being a young women who desperately wanted to hold onto this faith.  Again, the christain will try to claim I was not “genuine” was not “sincere” and was not “honest”. 

“Conclusion

The message circulating on social media reflects a genuine desire for evidence and respect, a desire that Christianity can meet without defensiveness or hostility. The Bible does not shy away from questions. It welcomes seekers, provides evidence, and extends grace. While Scripture affirms that God has revealed Himself through creation and history, it also recognizes the complexity of belief, acknowledging the role of both intellect and heart. Christians are called not to boast of their faith but to share it humbly, remembering that salvation is entirely by grace.

For those who do not yet believe, Christianity offers an open invitation to explore. Its claims are rooted in history, supported by evidence, and confirmed by countless transformed lives. More importantly, its God is not distant or indifferent but near to those who seek Him. As Jeremiah 29:13 promises, “Ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.””

yep, this all has failed as usual.   I wonder if the writer will respond to me.