Generally, I wouldn’t go to the bother of this, but Caroline is a good example of theist that atheist often encounter. Her posts cover most attitudes and claims the Christian who thinks that they are an excellent defender of the faith. My first post addressing Caroline’s questions to atheists is here.
I have been able to have some comments posted on Caroline’s blog and for that I thank her a lot. She has proven herself to be less of a coward than I might have thought. I will reserve judgement for the rest of that determination when I see if she will answer questions put to here. This comment is one that I posted before her reply to me in italics below: “It [pascal’s wager] is quite lame. It assumes that you have the right god. Caroline, please do tell us how you know the right god is yours.For someone who has a post of questions, I see my answers are rather scary, yes?” Again, from her response, we see that she seems to be reluctant to answer questions posed to her.
My, my…somebody’s itchin’ to get into it. Which is exactly why I have chosen not to approve your comments. It seems apparent to me that you are not interested in a debate but a fight instead, and I want my blog to be nonviolent. You’re not seeking the truth but looking for opportunities to ridicule.
Reasonable people can debate the existence of God without any of that. If you’d like to try respect and consideration, I will engage you. Please begin with an explanation of how you can get something from nothing.
You reply and then I see that my post is still not up. Happily, I took the precaution to put it on my own blog. For you to try to claim that I’m not interested in debate, you have gone above and beyond to refuse it. You want to ask questions but when someone answers and the answers are not to your liking, you try to hide them. You really couldn’t prove my point better, Caroline. You are not looking for an honest answer from an atheist that you could consider and rebut. You simply want a soapbox, where you ignore how your claims are wrong. I do also like how you have decided that you are psychic! I am sorry, Caroline, but I am indeed looking for the truth, but I also look to educate Christians who make claims that are not true. I am not looking to ridicule, so your claims about me are *lies* about me. That’s false witnessing. But in case you do want to point out just where you thought I was ridiculing you, I invite you to do so on my copy of my post to your blog if you don’t want to here. I invite you to do so since I don’t always want to be ridiculing Christians. I have taken great pleasure in ridiculing Christians and I will continue to do so, however, my post to you wasn’t ridicule at all, Caroline. I answered *your* questions, Caroline. I pointed out how they are wrong in their assumptions. You supposedly wanted this by posting what you did. I hope you stick by that.
It is amusing to see you claim that you want your blog to be non-violent. I’d certainly want a blog to be non-violent too, but seeing how debate isn’t violent at all, your crocodile tears are misplaced. I have frequently seen Christians claim that atheists are not respectful or considerate and all they mean is that they simply don’t like when atheists dare to tell them they are wrong and then dare to request that the theist actually engage in debate, putting up their arguments and evidence for their god. It is a very convenient excuse to claim someone is disrespectful or inconsiderate so I am asking you to point out which parts offended you so much. If I was, I will be happy to acknowledge it. At its base, my post is my reasons for coming to a negative that your god exists and pointing out how your arguments are those used by people you don’t believe either. Please tell me why you shouldn’t be just as afraid for your soul as I am for mine, how do you know your god is real? Can you answer that, Caroline?
As for how one can get something from nothing, that is a physics question. It is also a question that I can also pose to you. Where did your god come from, Caroline, how can *you* get something from nothing? You have no trouble in accepting this premise for your god, but you are not willing to accept that for anything else? Why? Quantum mechanics is a set of theories that appear to be the best description we have for the world since their predictions have proven true and accurate, there are equations that say that from “nothing”, there was a fluctuation in that nothing, and this created something. “Nothing” isn’t exactly like how I guess you think of it. To a physicist, nothing has fields, quantum particles etc in it. With science being able to detect more and more, things get clarified. Once “nothing” was what we couldn’t see with our eyes, now it’s different because we know better.
Now, I’m sure you will say that it’s “just a theory”, like many Christians try to do when dismissing other thing that disagree with their mythology, like evolution. However, this theory allows you to have computers, have CAT scans, etc. If you benefit from those, it does make it a little ridiculous that you argue against such things. Those come from the same science that the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle (called it unpredicablity theory before) theory come from. It doesn’t work when you try to ignore parts of science you don’t like but have no problem with the parts you do, that make you comfy. Quantum mechanics isn’t a hypothesis, which is an idea that comes from observation; it is what we have predicted and *then* observed and then used in our techology. The book, “A universe from nothing” by Lawrence Krauss can go into much more detail. I have a copy in my local library, I’m sure you probably can find it in yours or can get it by interlibrary loan. It works, even if you don’t want to believe it or have trouble understanding it. I have trouble understanding it too. But to say that “it can’t work that way because I don’t understand/want to believe”, well, that refusal to believe because *you* can’t comprehend it is called the argument from personal incredulity or the argument from ignorance. We haven’t figured out everything yet, that’s is for sure. That doesn’t say we won’t. The longer we go, the more we know, and the result has been your god being pushed into the quickly diminishing gaps. Most modern people no longer think that some god or demons cause disease, we don’t think thunder is the sound of Thor throwing his hammer, etc.
I hope this answered your question. I hope you will answer mine.