Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – yet another Christian caught in telling lies

It is unfortunately nothing new to find a Christian choosing to lie. This one, Stephen Bernard, decides to repeat the lies of deathbed conversion. And he can’t even get the spelling of Thomas Paine’s name right. This is how knowledge destroys religion.

“THOMAS PAYNE

The leading atheistic writer in American colonies: “Stay with me, for God’s sake; I cannot bear to be left alone , O Lord, help me! O God, what have I done to suffer so much? What will become of me hereafter? I would give worlds if I had them, that The Age of Reason had never been published. 0 Lord, help me! Christ, help me! No, don’t leave; stay with me! Send even a child to stay with me; for I am on the edge of hell here alone. If ever the Devil had an agent, I have been that one.””

amazing how Paine said nothing of the sort.

“No sooner was Paine dead than the ghoul sat gloating upon him. I found in the Rush papers a letter from Cheetham (July 31st) to Benjamin Rush: “Since Mr. Paine’s arrival in this city from Washington, when on his way you very properly avoided him, his life, keeping the lowest company, has been an uninterrupted scene of filth, vulgarity, and drunkenness. As to the reports, that on his deathbed he had something like compunctious visitings of conscience with regard to his deistical writings and opinions, they are altogether groundless. He resisted very angrily, and with a sort of triumphant and obstinate pride, all attempts to draw him from those doctrines. Much as you must have seen in the course of your professional practice of everything that is offensive in the poorest and most depraved of the species, perhaps you have met with nothing excelling the miserable condition of Mr. Paine. He had scarcely any visitants. It may indeed be said that he was totally neglected and forgotten. Even Mrs. Bournville (sic) a woman, I cannot say a Lady, whom he brought with him from Paris, the wife of a Parisian of that name, seemed desirous of hastening his death. He died at Greenwich, in a small room he had hired in a very obscure house. He was hurried to his grave with hardly an attending person. An ill-natured epitaph, written on him in 1796, when it was supposed he was dead, incorrectly describes the latter end of his life. He

     "Blasphemes the Almighty, lives in filth like a hog,
     Is abandoned in death and interr'd like a dog."

The object of this letter was to obtain from Rush, for publication, some abuse of Paine; but the answer honored Paine, save for his heresy, and is quoted by freethinkers as a tribute.

Within a year the grave opened for Cheetham also, and he sank into it branded by the law as the slanderer of a woman’s honor, and scourged by the community as a traitor in public life.

The day of Paine’s death was a day of judgment. He had not been struck blind or dumb; Satan had not carried him off; he had lived beyond his threescore years and ten and died peacefully in his bed. The self-appointed messengers of Zeus had managed to vex this Prometheus who brought fire to men, but could not persuade him to whine for mercy, nor did the predicted thunderbolts come. This immunity of Thomas Paine brought the deity of dogma into a dilemma. It could be explained only on the the theory of an apology made and accepted by the said deity. Plainly there had to be a recantation somewhere. Either Paine had to recant or Dogma had to recant.

The excitement was particularly strong among the Quakers, who regarded Paine as an apostate Quaker, and perhaps felt compromised by his desire to be buried among them. Willett Hicks told Gilbert Vale that he had been beset by pleading questions. “Did thee never hear him call on Christ?” “As for money,” said Hicks, “I could have had any sum.” There was found, later on, a Quakeress, formerly a servant in the family of Willett Hicks, not proof against such temptations. She pretended that she was sent to carry some delicacy to Paine, and heard him cry “Lord Jesus have mercy upon me”; she also heard him declare “if the Devil has ever had any agency in any work he has had it in my writing that book [the ‘Age of Reason’].”* Few souls are now so belated as to credit such stories; but my readers may form some conception of the mental condition of the community in which Paine died from the fact that such absurdities were printed, believed, spread through the world. The Quaker servant became a heroine, as the one divinely appointed witness of Tom Paine’s recantation.” The Life of Tomas Paine, Moncure Daniel Conway

The same goes for the claim of Voltaire’s last words since there is no source for them at all. What we have is this “May 26, 1778.

The dying man returns to life on hearing this great news: he tenderly embraces M. de Lally: he sees that the King is the defender of justice: and he dies content.” written 4 days before Voltaire died.



And Robert Ingersoll’s last words were evidently, “Oh Better.”ROBERT INGERSOLL CROSSES THE RIVERThe Record-Union of Sacramento, California on July 22, 1899 We also have thisRobert G. Ingersoll Dead
The Famous Agnostic Passes Away Suddenly at His Summer Home
Religious Views Unchanged
No Evidence that He Abandoned Agnosticism, Though He Expressed Hope of Immortality” from the New York Times, printed on July 22, 1899, the day after Ingersoll died.

I suspect the rest of the supposed “quotes” are lies too, but no reason to keep on since we have three in a row already.

It’s always great to see Christians ignore their bible when convenient for them. One might think that this god has no problem with liars, and one would be very much mistaken. This god even hates those liars who think they are lying for it, Romans 3. I guess hell will be full up with TrueChristians(tm) and there will be no room for an atheist at all.

Amazing how this god doesn’t do a thing about these TrueChristians(tm) lying in its name, just like any imaginary character. No smiting at all. Shucks.

24 thoughts on “Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – yet another Christian caught in telling lies

    1. and yet one more theist who has no problem in lying. Thanks for underlining that fact, Dravidanman!

      Nope, I do not accept that there are any gods. I do love to show how so many theists, in this case Christians, are hypocrites, ignoring the bible they insist is from some god that supposedly smites bad people when they lie. I certainly dont’ have to believe in such nonsense to demonstrate their hypocrisy.

      Try again, dear.

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      1. It’s utterly fascinating to see how weak, shallow and un-nuanced the thinking of some believers can be. People like Dravidanman just don’t seem capable of understanding that one can discuss imaginary things just as easily as real ones.

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  1. Your logical fallacy is amazing. You cannot hold others liable for someone who has lied according to you. God reveals to those who shows selfless love. We are seeing God and reciprocating with him nicely. You people are 10th class atheist who insult, ridicule and blasphemes God without understanding his spiritual nature.

    Moreover, you are wrong about punishment given by God. God also punishes us when we deviate from ten commandments. Advanced devotees accept his punishment as his mercy and we repent and rectify our mistakes. Whereas, atheist people like you keep on committing the same offence and sins without caring to rectify your mistakes consequently suffer more than us. Without realizing your suffering is due to your own faults and wrong acts you insult and ridicule God more and more thereby increasing your sin account. More and more you insult God more and more you suffer and more and more you are in fear and anxiety. We also suffer for our wrong acts but since we do not blaspheme and insult God directly. God gives us less punishment and forgives our mistakes when we sincerely repent and try to rectify or faults.

    God is not imagination because one cannot imagine a person who eternally exist. One cannot imagine a person having unlimited attributes. One can only imagine those things which can be appreciated through our limited senses So, the point is our senses are limited to time and space and therefore it is not possible for any human being to imagine a eternally existing and omnipotent God through his limited senses.

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  2. Your logical fallacy is amazing. You cannot hold others liable for someone who has lied according to you. God reveals to those who shows selfless love. We are seeing God and reciprocating with him nicely. You people are 10th class atheist who insult, ridicule and blasphemes God without understanding his spiritual nature.

    Moreover, you are wrong about punishment given by God. God also punishes us when we deviate from ten commandments. Advanced devotees accept his punishment as his mercy and we repent and rectify our mistakes. Whereas, atheist people like you keep on committing the same wrong acts or sins without caring to rectify your mistakes consequently suffer more than us. Without realizing your suffering is due to your own faults and wrong acts you insult and ridicule God more and more thereby increasing your sin account. More and more you insult God more and more you suffer and more and more you are in fear and anxiety. We also suffer for our sins but since we do not blaspheme and insult God directly. God gives us less punishment and forgives our mistakes when we sincerely repent and try to rectify or faults.

    God is not imagination because one cannot imagine a person who eternally exist. One cannot imagine a person having unlimited attributes. One can only imagine those things which can be appreciated through our limited senses So, the point is our senses are limited to time and space and therefore it is not possible for any human being to imagine a eternally existing and omnipotent God through his limited senses.

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    1. and yet more nonsense from Christians who make up their nonsense and constantly changing excuses for their imaginary god. You are simple one more human who has to pretend how important you are. “Advanced devotees”? Nope, you know no more than anyone else.

      You aren’t.

      There are far more than the first ten of the commandments from the Old Testament and Christians pick and choose which ones they want to follow, ignoring the rest as is convenient for them. Happily, atheists don’t suffer more than anyone, but nice attempt to lie, anan. Poor dear, you only have lies and threats to try to convince others to agree with you. You fail.

      I have no problem at all imagining your god, so your incompetence at doing so isn’t my problem.

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    2. Anantadaya, you’re wrong about the imagination, and this is why: We don’t have to imagine perfectly and accurately. The faintest sketch of a concept is sufficient to get its outlines and get a reasonable idea of what something might be like.

      I’ve always found the concept of infinity very easy to imagine. I can ponder the idea of eternal life even though I believe it to be impossible, and even though I don’t believe in it.

      Try it yourself: Are you familiar with the gods of Norse mythology? Can you picture them in your mind? I would not testify in a court of law that any of them actually existed, but I can describe them in vivid detail nonetheless.

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  3. More failed answers and lies from Cf. As usual Cf is not answering to the comments. Rather frustrated in her attempts to give a proper reply to my comments. Who knows that she is really happy or not.

    You clearly avoided the later part of my comments regarding limitation of our senses. Do you admit that your senses are limited to time and space?

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    1. So, anan aka dravid, do show where I’ve failed. You see, dear, making false claims is wonderful to see from a Christian like you. Per your bible, both old testament and new, your god hates lies and liars. I have nothing to fear from your god. If your god is real, *you* have a problem.

      I’m quite happy, and I do love when a Christian must lie in his desperate hope that I am not.

      Yep, our senses are limited to time and space. No evidence of anything else, so still no evidence of your god existing at all. And poor dear, a self-proclaimed Christian who can’t do what his supposed messiah promised. Now, anan aka dravid, why is that? Why does your god deny you? Are you doing something wrong? Or is it that your god simply doesn’t exist? As it stands, you are no more than a fraud.

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  4. See. Again failed logic. God says he hates lies and liars. What you have interpreted wrongly is he gives more regress punishment for liars. Of course he punishes those who lies according to their degree and intensity of lie. It is not that one who lies is subjected to death penalty or other forms of severe punishments. Sometimes if lie saves a life of a person such lies is not lies rather it is equal to truth. If some lies doesn’t harm or cause pain to others such lie is not a big lie. Moreover who knows that you are speaking the truth. You can also lie. You are a atheist who defy scriptures, God and Christ. You ridicule God for your selfish enjoyment so you don’t have any qualification to question us.

    Congrats for admitting that your senses are limited without understanding what limited senses can able to do.

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    1. Ol’ st/ananthadhaya/Dravidanman has done a great job of showing how he can’t know his god at all by his own arguments. Per the bible, this god hates lies and liars and there is no time when a lie is acceptable. our dear liar for Christ shows he doesn’t even know his own bible. He just hopes his god doesn’t notice his lies. Alas, Romans 3 says otherwise.

      Such a classic fraud.

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    2. Look, D-Man, it’s very simple. If your god doesn’t exist, it can’t object to being ridiculed. If it does exist, it doesn’t need you to defend its honour. Either way, your “services” are not required. Shoo. Scram. Get yourself a hobby, or something.

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  5. That’s why we tell that you are not qualified to understand and see God. If you are not qualified to see God you have to admit the fact that you are not eligible to see God. You people can’t say that we don’t see God. i already gave reasons that God does not reveal to atheist who insults and blasphemes God. He reciprocates according to our spiritual faith. If you want to believe there is no God he reciprocates according to it.

    Further, you cannot say that we don’t see God. If there is no benefit in worshiping God we are not fools to waste our time in worshiping some metal stone or picture. Right?. . Even the most learned also worships God. So he is not a fool to waste his time in worshiping some metal stone or wood.

    We are deriving great benefit when we follow commandments of God sincerely. So just telling that I can’t see God is not God’s defect its your defect. Moreover, God has given you this atheistic mentality for your enjoyment. You are suffering therefore you are envious of us and opened this blog and ridicule, insulting everybody. If anyone who cannot able to answer your article immediately you ridicule, make mockery, abuse and insult him or her thus trying to derive some happiness and enjoyment from it.

    We don’t suffer, criticize or blame others as we are happy and satisfied within our self just by glorifying and worshiping God. You feel happy only when you can able to drink wine, you feel happy when you can able to have unrestricted sex, You feel happy only when you can able to eat your favorite food stuffs or meat. We don’t depend upon such things for our happiness. We are simply happy by following the commandments and glorifying God.

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    1. If you’re so happy, why do you spend so much time here? The words of non-believers appear to upset you so much that you’ve come here under multiple names. You do criticize and you do blame, and your own words are the evidence (I don’t know whether or not you also suffer, but you don’t seem to be as happy as you claim to be.)

      Maybe your visits to this blog are doing your spiritual cause more harm than good. Please give this serious consideration.

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    2. poor ST/anan/dravid, so concerned with sex. I suspect he’s never had it except by his own hand

      If only believers can see your god, then funny how your bible then lies. You are indeed a fool who worships a imaginary character made in your own image.

      You derive no benefits at all, and not one of you can do what JC promised all of his followers to be able to do. Our dear st/anan/dravid is a fraud per the bible itself. How sad.

      I only insult failures like conservative Christians. Still no evidence for this god at all.

      and

      “31 “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. 32 There is another who testifies on my behalf, and I know that his testimony to me is true.” John5

      and then

      “ 14 Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid because I know where I have come from and where I am going, but you do not know where I come from or where I am going. “ John 8

      Yet more contradictory garbage from the bible.

      It takes blind stupidity to accept the bible as some magical “truth”. It takes someone like the blithering ST/anan/Dravid

      and I don’t need to bother with liars and failures on my blog.

      As Astreja has noted, someone who is happy and satisfied doesn’t lie and beseech atheists to agree with him since no Christian ever would.

      and oh dear, how can our little nitwit use computers now?

      turing

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