Found this and its quite a set of fail and lies. The usual fail with the cosmological argument and the usual lies about atheists, from a seminary student. If you are curious to see how the kalam argument fails, Richard Carrier had a recent debate about it.
“Everyone should desire that sort of theism to be true, even if they do not believe it is true. This dissonance should cause great grieving in the individual, to wish that eternal bliss was possible but to be convinced of eternal death. In Christianity, this often manifests itself in the conversation of hell, where many Christians desire hell to be temporary or only a figure of speech, but believe it is not so. This causes great grief in Christians. In atheism, there should be great grief that theism is not true. Atheism should lead to mourning, especially if they believe no actions matter, since there is no true meaning or ultimate significance in the universe. Atheists should desire theism to be true, and should grieve over their own atheism.”
And my response, which will likely never see the light of day (hey, I was wrong about that):
quite the set of lies. It’s notable that there is no reason to need your god or desire it. I don’t desire your ignorant violent and petty little god to exist at all.
Unsurpisingly, no dissonance, just the false claims of a christian who thinks people should join his religion. No hell either so, you sadistist fantasies will never come true.
I, as an atheist, am very glad the many cults of humans aren’t true, including yours. We have significances and we give it to ourselves and each other. Your lies trying to equate nihilism to atheism are typical christian lies.
Club Schadenfreude 
You do not know God because you hate Him. If you would rather have eternal death than eternal life, what is there left for me to say to you? You are a valuable human made for eternal life with God. Jesus died instead of you to pay for your self-righteousness, and you still choose death. I am sorry you feel hurt. Feel free to email me privately if there is anything I can pray about for you. God cares deeply about you. If you give me your first name, I will be praying for you.
Your rebuttal to my post is by posting angry memes. If anyone else needs prayer, email me or comment on my page. All people have offended God with their self-righteousness and been separated from God. Jesus has taken the punishment for that offense and made a way to close the gap. You choose to stay away from God, and will take your full punishment. With Jesus, you have a way out.
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Here’s jacob the poor seminary student. No dear, we don’t hate your imaginary friend. We could hate it, if it were real since it commits genocide, kills people for things they didn’t do, and supports slavery. We can and often do hate the harm that humans do in this imaginary nonsense’s name.
No “eternal death” just the impotent threats of a religion that needs to try to scare people into it. Jesus can’t be shown to have existed much less died and resurrected. In any case, I am happy to be responsible for my own actions and I don’tneed a lunatic god to kill itself/its son for a human blood sacrifice by torture to make itself happy and not punishing for whatever it finds I’m responsible for. I’m not a coward. Death is natural. it’s part of life, no false promises about some afterlife needed.
I am indeed a valuable human, no imaginary god needed nor a cult that tells me I need this god.
I’m not hurt. That is a common lie christians invent for themselves to try to invent a reason why they dont’ have to listen to non-christians, insisting that the only reason someone would not want to be a christian is emotional.
Prayer fails miserably, Jacob. I was a christian and I know that quite well. Despite the many promises from jesus in the bible that true followers will literally get any prayer answered, they don’t. Not one self-professed christian can get a prayer answered or do any of the miracles, healing of injury and illness, etc promised in the bible.
I’ve had literaly hundreds of christians praying for me to agree with them over the last 30+ years and you’ve all failed miserably. BTW, why would this god or you need my name? It’s omniscient, right?
My rebuttal of your post is the posts I left on your blog, and what I’ve written here. The memes are just an added bonus for my readers who like them. If you find them relevant to your baseless claims, you might want to reflect why.
Christians can’t even agree on what “offends” their imaginary friend, so your declaration means little, Jacob. Your sadistic fantasies will never come true. 2000+ years of failure guarantees that.
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None of this changes my response. I pray you find what you need to heal your hurt and anger against God. If you need any prayer, please let me know 🙂
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I pray you find what you need to heal your hurt and anger against God.
Who’s hurting? Who’s angry? Sounds to me like you’re the only one that’s bothered by the conversations on this blog.
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You. Put away self righteousness and anger and follow the truth
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Jacob, you are digging yourself a whole with your self-righteous and baseless nonsense. Now you find yourself demanding that we follow what you claim to be the truth, somethign that not even other christians agree to be the truth.
Your bible gives us a way to know which of the christians has the right version: you’ll be able to do what jesus promised.
Not one of you can. What’s the problem?
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All of my reply shows your responses to be worthless, Jacob. You have no evidence for your claims. I am just as not impressed with your religion as I am not impressed with Islam, Hindusim, etc.
all religions suffer the same problem: no evidence. I suspect you don’t believe in those others religions for that reason too.
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oh and before you indignantly demand what bible verses make such promises about prayers being answered, it’s these ones;
“22 Jesus answered them, ‘Have[b] faith in God. 23 Truly I tell you, if you say to this mountain, “Be taken up and thrown into the sea”, and if you do not doubt in your heart, but believe that what you say will come to pass, it will be done for you. 24 So I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received[c] it, and it will be yours.” – Mark 11
“Go into all the world and proclaim the good news[d] to the whole creation. 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: by using my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes in their hands,[e] and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.’” Mark 16
“7 ‘Ask, and it will be given to you; search, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened for you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and everyone who searches finds, and for everyone who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 Is there anyone among you who, if your child asks for bread, will give a stone? 10 Or if the child asks for a fish, will give a snake? 11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him!” Matthew 7
“1 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if you do not, then believe me because of the works themselves. 12 Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If in my name you ask me[e] for anything, I will do it.” John 14
“ 7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask for whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. “ John 15
“13 Are any among you suffering? They should pray. Are any cheerful? They should sing songs of praise. 14 Are any among you sick? They should call for the elders of the church and have them pray over them, anointing them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 The prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise them up; and anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The prayer of the righteous is powerful and effective. 17 Elijah was a human being like us, and he prayed fervently that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain on the earth. 18 Then he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain and the earth yielded its harvest.” James 5
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Jacob, if I “hate” your god, it’s in the same sense that I hate Emperor Palpatine or Joffrey Baratheon or Vold… uh, that guy who must not be named. To me, your god is a fictional being. Period. It’s been fictional to me for over sixty years, and I don’t expect that to change.
Your proxy threat against us has been noted. You’re a fucking fool to worship a god whom you believe has created a place to eternally torment sentient beings. I don’t care how devout you are; if you’re right about this “full punishment,” you will never, ever be more than one stray God-offending thought away from joining us in the flames. As you sorry lot are wont to say to us, “Eternity is a long time.” How long before you get tired of singing the praises of your torturer-god?
And you’re a coward to let someone else die in your place. If it’s actually All-Father Oðinn in charge, no Valhalla for you! 😀
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My husband is becoming more interested in the norse religion as an ideal and has a tattoo now with the runes.
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Such piffle from this guy. Why would I want theism to be true? I find great comfort in the fact that the universe is uncaring and arbitrary. Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people because of random factors, not because they somehow deserved it. All the confusion and dysfunction of human religion is not the design of some perfect being, but just our stupid monkey-brains not being smart enough to sort it all out. Humans aren’t eternally rewarded for being lucky enough to hear the correct sales pitch and gullible enough to buy into it. Given what a mess our reality is, it would be terrible if that were the “perfect plan” of some supreme being.
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one of my favorite quotes from one of my favorite tv shows:
“You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn’t it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe.
Marcus Cole, Babylon 5”
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i pray you find what you need to heal your hurt and anger against God.
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And I hope you find what you need to heal your hurt and anger against Santa Claus, so that you can believe in him again. And if you find that insulting, please know that your comment comes across the same way to a non-believer.
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Yes, but I didn’t stop believing in santa clause because of self righteousness and anger. Put those aside and at least try to follow truth. You are doing yourself no good by seeking arrogance and anger
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You, like us, likely stopped believing in santa claus since there was no evidence. That’s why we don’t accept that your god exists.
You find you have to lie about us since we came to the conclusion you did about santa claus. You accuse us falsely of being “arrogant”, “angry”, “self-righteous”, etc.
Hmm, shall I accuse you of being that toward Islam, Hinduism, etc?
Sorry, dear, we aren’t buying what you have if you have no evidence for it.
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Evidence? Sure thing! Read the article I wrote on the God of all peoples, and respond to its claims in a way that actually addresses them. Additionally, disliking, disagreeing, or ignoring something is not a valid reason to believe it is not true. Please, read and respond to the article if you actually want evidence
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I’ve read your claims and you have no evidence. The cosmological argument never gets to your god, dear. Quantum particles can do just fine.
The first cause doesn’t get to your god. it can be any god or again just physics.
A god outside of time would have no way to know when to start anything, and thus fails.
Your god is not omnisicent per the bible. This god had to go hunting for adam and eve, evidently has no idea that stars aren’t little lights on a solid dome that can fall off and isn’t smart enough to know that one can’t see the entire earth on a mountain, no matter how tall.
No supernatural power in evidence at all.
No choice is needed to have a universe or not.
and christians lie about moral law being evidence for their imaginary friend since they can’t show morality to be objective or that their god gives it.
Christian morality is demonstrably subjective, with each inventing a list of morals they claim their god wants, and yet the poor dears can’t show that their god merely exists, much less agrees with them. They also have the problem that they must insist that their god doesn’t have to follow these supposedly “objective” morals since they have to invent excuses why it is okay for this god to commit genocide, to kill people for the actions of others, etc. This makes their morality subjective to who someone is. it also shows their morality is little moreo than might equals right
“Logically, there can only be one Creator-essence. There can not be two all-powerful, timeless, self-sustaining beings with differing wills. In order for there to be multiple Creators, they must have the exact same essence, and by extension, the exact same will. This is speculatory, however the possibility of multiplicity in the Creator’s essence is certainly there. ”
it’s complete BS.
“This elevation of the self manifests itself in antagonistic statements such as “why would God allow this evil,” which imply that the one asking could execute a better plan for the universe. This elevation of self, as well as misunderstandings of theism, necessarily rule out the reasoning of antagonistic atheists apriori. In other words, all atheists who are antagonistic to Christianity must be inconsistent in their own worldview, and therefore rule themselves out as consistent non-bias thinkers. ”
Yep, I could, and your god is a moron. I always enjoy when christians try to claim creationism, but cna’t explain why their god was either so stupid or malicious to make the sun give us cancer, make the human body so thousands of humans choke to death every year, etc.
YOu trot out all of the same failed lies all apologists trot out. You may wish to read some counterapologist stuff. I recommend this website: https://infidels.org/library/modern-library-subject-index/
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You also might want to consider that liking the idea of god, etc doesn’t make it true.
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I didn’t stop for those reasons either. I stopped believing because I found it unbelievable. I indeed want to follow truth, and my search for truth has led me to the conclusion that all of the thousands of confusing, competing human religions are man-made, and not a source of truth. Including yours.
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Again, the christian chooses to lie, which is quite a problem consider how this god hates lies and liars, even if the christian claims they are lying for their god. Jacob, you may want to read Romans 3. Paul is pretty clear about that.
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Turn from self righteousness and anger toward God.
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Which god, Jacob? Christians can’t even agree on one since you all claim it wants different things.
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Foisting these attributes upon someone, does not make them true.
The fact that you are doing so, is evidence of your lies, and your own shortcomings.
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Great memes, again.
“Atheists should?” Well ain’t that something to wish for? If any atheist is burdened with some form of guilt because there is no god (Tooth Fairy, Santa, or bogeyman or woman), please jump in an explain.
On the other hand, guilt-ridden believers (esp. Catholics) number in the millions and will say so.
Not only is embracing atheism a release from guilt, but the coming out leads to life as it “should” be.
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Ah a particularly good set of memes today, well found. Heated competition, but I think Patton Oswalt wins it by a whisker.
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I do like him. he was fun to watch on Agents of SHIELD and on MST3K
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You’ve really got a live one here. Indignant in its own ignorance, clueless of its own hostility, and projecting like a mofo.
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I figured he’d either entirely ignore me or would be quite up in arms. i wonder if he’s actually read his entire bible.
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Very, VERY few “Christians” read the entire bible. In fact, I would go so far as to say, most of them read only the scriptures they’re directed to in the Sunday sermon. Bible “knowledge” is rarely a result of bible “study.”
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yep, my parents are part of that crowd. Shame I wasted money getting them a bible so they’d stop bothering me.
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Doubtful. The best atheist making device in the world, is the babble.
They just pick and choose what they like to hear, ignore the rest, and do their damnedest to convert, convince, connive, or conquer others, to their way of thinking.
The canards, damn the canards. Atheists “hate god.” We’re mad at god. We’re arrogant. We just want to live like invading Vikings, sinning up the place.
Reality is, we just want to be left the fuck alone. Especially from religious wackaloons. Oh, and leave your idiotic religion out of politics too, you fuckers.
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very much agreed. I’m sure the poor fellow is telling all of his little friends about the mean ol’ atheists.
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