This is just to keep this response to a christian who commented on this blog post, where I can find it easily and for the christian, MJ, to respond, if she chooses.
MJ, it’s a common Christian tactic to try to lie and claim that I’m “angry” when I show your religion to fail. The Christian needs to convince themselves no one could deny their nonsense for other than emotional reasons.
Atheism is the conclusion that a particular god or gods doesn’t exist, or as the oxford dictionary has “disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.” So, you are wrong again. You own me an apology. You believe in your god, and claim that no other gods exist. That means you are an atheist when it comes to those gods. Most other theists make the same claims about study, the world around you, etc for their gods, and unsurprisingly, no theist can show that their god merely exists at all.
If the body works as your god supposedly “designed”, your god was evidently incompetent or malicious since the body guarantees that thousands of humans choke to death every year.
You also repeat yet more Christian baseless claims, that other Christians “may not be right” and yet not a single Christian can show that their version is any better than the next. MJ, your bible offers a way to know who the true followers of jesus christ are, in supposedly his own words: a true follower will be able to get any prayer answered, and be able to do miracles like he did (Mark 11:22-24, Mark 16 15-18, Matthew 7:7-9, John 14:11-14, John 15: 7, James 5:13-18). That no self-professed Christian can do this is notable.
You claim “canon” but Christians do not agree on that either, since you can’t agree even on how many books should be in the “bible”, from 66, 73, 75+, 81. You simply declare the apocrypha, book of Mormon, etc as “not cannon” and yet you have no more evidence your version of the bible is any more “right” than the next Christian. Like all Christians, you insist that only your version is the right one. The council of nicea managed to make a set of books that repeatedly contradicts itself, so your nonsense about “put together in such a way that made sense” is demonstrably false. Christians can’t even agree on what the “teachings of jesus” even are, with you all inventing your own list of what morals your imaginary friend wans.
Claims of “heresy” are simply Christians disagreeing about their versions, and again, MJ, not one of you can show your vesion to be better than the rest. There is no evidence that the books in the NT were written within 100 years after the supposed events, events that have no evidence and Christians can’t agree when they happened. You may want to learn about when the books were written at a nice website called earlychristianwritings.
There is no “we as Christians” since there is no single Christianity. Christians can’t agree on what “infallible” or “inerrant” means, and you all can’t agree on what parts of the bible are to be considered literal, metaphor, exaggeration, etc. Unsurprisngly, despite your claims of having “plenty of evidence”, that is not true and it is notable how you can provide none of this supposed evidence.
You also seem to be unaware that your bible says your god can and has lied. And to claim that since the book says to believe the book, it must be true is amusing, since most, if not all, cult books say the same. Should we believe in them too, per your own argument?
No scientific text supports the claims in the bible and no historical text shows that the supposed events in the bible happened. But do show these supposed texts, MJ.
No, I don’t need faith to accept the evidence that the big bang happened. You show the typical ignorance of a Christian when it comes to the theories you attack. Rather than try your strawman, have enough courage to actually learn about what you claim is wrong.
Christians love to make up numbers that they’ve simply pulled out of their nethers and always show that they have no idea what probability is. The probability of the universe existing is 1 e.g. it exists. It’s amusing that you claim these numbers and then turn around and claim that there is “no meaningful calculation for it”. So which is it, MJ, is the number correct or is it meaningless? You do the same for the occurrence of life, showing that yet again your religion depends on false claims.
I know that Christians don’t agree on what morals their god wants. I can see that in the disagreements that the various versions have about divorce, LGBT+ folks, etc. Oh dear, it’s “annoying”. No, it’s lying and its harmful. Curious how impotent your god is that it can’t make itself clear to these “sinful humans”, and unsurprisingly, each Christian insists that the supposed “context” only supports their baseless nonsense.
Morality is something humans have invented. It is subjective and seems to be based on empathy and self-interest. Morality being subjective means we can throw out the ignorance and hate in your bible and get something better, no god required.
Since Christians can’t agree on morality, and not one can show that their version is god-approved, Christian morality is demonstrably subjective, with each inventing a list of morals they claim their god wants, and yet the poor dears can’t show that their god merely exists, much less agrees with them. They also have the problem that they must insist that their god doesn’t have to follow these supposedly “objective” morals since they have to invent excuses why it is okay for this god to commit genocide, to kill people for the actions of others, etc. This makes their morality subjective to who someone is. it also shows their morality is little more than might equals right.
You then make false claims that there are no contradictions in the bible, claiming “only changes in point of view”. ROFL. Oh dear. If that is the case, then you should be able to give a definitive answer to the following questions:
Does your god punish people for the sins of others?
What does Mary see in the tomb garden?
Christians love to try to claim that the complete contradictions are a feature, not a bug. Unfortunately, in any criminal case, contradictions mean that more evidence is needed, and surprise, you have none. These books in your bible were never intended to be together, so your excuses fail. The bumbling fools were in the various councils who had to appease everyone and ended up making an incoherent cult.
It’s great that you claim that your imaginary friend “allows evil to show its glory”. So your god, by your own claim, allows harm to be done to show off. Christians never think their excuses through for the problem of evil, since their heaven means that their god is a complete idiot since it evidently *can* have a perfect world with no harm being done to humans. As for your claims that there is predestination and free will, that fails hilariously since as soon as this god interferes and as soon as this god damns humans for not being able to choose it, then free will ends. If I can’t make a choice, I have no free will.
Per jesus and paul, humans are indeed mindless robots who have no choice if they are saved or damned, Matthew 13, Romans 9, amongst others.
The question of miracles isn’t a “secondary issue”. Christians do love to lie about what issues are primary and secondary. Christian contradictions about miracles does affect the supposed truth of your gospels since if jesus was lying, you have a problem.
Yep, any cult can claim that their god is hidden and your cult does that. Your baseless assertion that “our god is real” can also be used by any cult. You are all “creeps” trying to maintain power.
Unsurprisingly, you are also wrong about this jesus fulfilling every supposed prophecy about him. Curious how a prophecy said the Jewish messiah would be called Emmanuel, not Joshua/Jesus. A prophecy states that the Jewish messiah will be silent through his trials, and jesus has conversations with the high priests and with Pilate. It’s great how a Christian will claim that as long as jesus was silent “most of the time” that counts. It’s like watching a failure say that something is “mostly” sterile. Would you accept a “mostly sterile” scapel in a operation? No prophecies show any resurrection, so you again fail. But do show these supposed “prophecies” you claim.
Yep, everything I’ve done to have a purpose has made me happy and yes, dear, long term. It’s great how you try to lie and gaslight me. You again make more baseless assertions, MJ, inventing people who don’t exist to support your desperate need to cling to your cult.
Rather than bothering the owner of this blog with extended conversations, you are welcome to come to my blog and comment. Since this reply to you is a good example of how Christian claims fail, I’m going to make it a blog post. You may show how you think I’m supposedly wrong there.
Well done.
Few believers understand the concept of atheism at all. AT ALL!!! I suspect some atheists may not.
Many Christians, and I assume members of other religions, cannot conceive of someone who not only does not believe in any god (spirit, heaven, hell, etc.) but openly identifies as atheist. They often do not understand agnosticism either, but of course they don’t.
In fact, if one does have an emotional reaction to a god, then, by definition, one is not atheist. For us it would rank up there with being angry at the Easter Bunny. It’s silly. I have blogged about being angry with God and explained that only believers are or can be. Simple logic.
I do not walk around the local golf course during a thunder and lightning storm hold a 9-iron in the air. I do not handle poisonous snakes. I do not self-flagellate.
I do believe in lightning and its danger. Same for snakes. I do not believe in causing myself pain for any reason other than improved health (exercise).
Since I have, as you said, concluded that there is insufficient evidence for a deity for me to accept that one exists, especially one that aims bolts of lightning at people or makes snakes decide who to bite based on insufficient faith. And I agree that Epicurious was right about pain, except when necessary, like flu shots and push-ups.
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