Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – watching a loser double down

It should be to no one’s surprise that a conservative christian has decided to double down with their lies. MJ, who has commented here, has decided to continue with her lies about Charlie Kirk and about the liberals she needs to blame. Curiuos how yet again, it was a conservative who murdered Kirk.

Let’s see what she has to say:

She starts with yet more false claims about liberals “celebrating” that Kirk was dead. Unsurprisngly, still nothing supports that. Some may have said he deserves what he got he claimed that murders were a price that one had to pay for having guns, but no one celebrated.

“The Internet’s response was a mix of shock, horror, and grief, but on the Left, many people start celebrating or finding ways to minimize the horror of this attack. Many of them said that Charlie deserved it for his support of the 2nd Amendment and for his supposed “hate speech.”

Unsurprisngly, all of the evidence points to the murderer as being a follower of the “groyper” nonsense. Nothing has been shown to discount that. It’s lovely how maga followers have continuously espoused violent rhetoric, including Charlie Kirk.

MJ is upset that words are indeed violence. This is from a girl who doesn’t want to be responsiblit for what she says. Words are not ‘inherently’ violent, and no one said they were. MJ attacks a strawman yet again.

Strange how she claims that if one uses words as threats and to dehumanize people, that’s wrong. And yet, she has no problem with Kirk saying what he has. It’s not “true violence” to do this per MJ, only physical violence is “violence”. Curious how she reacts as if words can indeed be violence.

She has done nothing to fight against the violence that her hero Kirk and others have espoused. She continues to lie which is a form of violence in itself, in her need to distract from how Kirk and others have regularly dehumanized others.

She cannot show where “the left has been encouraging violence for years”. Where, MJ? Or are you again just spewing what you’ve heard?

Hmm, “weapons are only necessary when violence becomes real because that’s a case of self-defence”. So, per you, Kirk was wrong when he clamed that weapons are necessary no matter what, and agian, are worth murders to have them.

Yep, why indeed are MJ and her fellow maga supporters reacting as if words are violent? Of course, MJ must make excuses. Words don’t just promote violence, they can be violence itself. Strange how MJ isn’t upset when maga words promote violence at all.

Then MJ tries to ignore how time has passed and we didn’t know why Kirk was murdered. Right now, we see that a conservative young man killed Charlie Kirk. All of the attempts at making the murderer into a liberal have failed.

Charlie Kirk was a fascist and MJ’s definition from wikipedia supports that. He was far right. He supported authoritarians like Trump. He was ultranationalist. He advocated for suppression of opposition, and subordination of individuals to his cult. He supported Trump who wants to control the economy by the state.

So, yet again, MJ fails miserably. Again, let’s look at what Kirk freely claimed:

On race
If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022

Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024

If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023

Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.

– Discussing news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, 26 August 2025

The answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.

– Responding to a question about whether he would support his 10-year-old daughter aborting a pregnancy conceived because of rape on the debate show Surrounded, published on 8 September 2024

We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 April 2024

Funny how the Nuremberg trials were often to determine if the person deserved the death penalty.

I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

– Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023

On immigration
America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 22 August 2025

The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 20 March 2024

The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024

On Islam
America has freedom of religion, of course, but we should be frank: large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 30 April 2025

We’ve been warning about the rise of Islam on the show, to great amount of backlash. We don’t care, that’s what we do here. And we said that Islam is not compatible with western civilization.

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 24 June 2025

Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.

– Charlie Kirk social media post, 8 September 2025

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs

and here’s another “”If some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out…Bail him out and then go ask him some questions” – snopes

At one point, yep, conservatives were for smaller government and freedom. Maga morons are not conservatives. They are for complete government control and many are for complete religious control. This is why they want the government in the bedroom. They have no problem with their orange rapist sending federal troops into cities for “law enforcement”. They support tarriffs which are in effect taxes on americans. This does not support free trade at all. Kirk was against people of color being in certain jobs with hi fear of a black man being a pilot. So much for wanting people to be able to move up in the world. Kirk was also for total party control and no checks and balances.

Alas for MJ, she and her fellows long ago left conservatism behind.

it’s hilariosu how MJ tries to quite wikipedia, and then turns around and claims that fascism is leftist. That really takes either pure stupidity or pure deceit.

As always, MJ has no evidence for her claims. She tries to claim liberals have been “working over time to supress freedom of speech”. Hmm, where? She claims that there was some “censorship” in 2020. Where, dear? Oh was it when maga morons were lying about covid?

No evidence of any victimization, no marxism (she has no idea what that even is), and no evidence of any massive government oversight. Curious how it isn’t liberals who want people in the bedroom, the church, etc. She mentions the “california resources network” which is quite liberal and surprise, it doesn’t support what she claims it does. Fascism is still right-wing and is about control. This is what are considered fascist attributes:

“1. High Authority: Strong centralized state control.
2. Controlled Economy: Significant state intervention and economic nationalism.
3. Hierarchical Equality: Emphasis on national unity and collective identity, but often with inherent social hierarchies.
4. Suppressed Liberty: Restrictions on individual freedoms in the name of national unity and order.
5. Reimagined Tradition: Selective adoption of traditional values often combined with modern technological advancements to achieve national goals. This can be conceptualized as a patching process where legacy systems (traditions) are updated with new code (technology) to maintain relevance.
6. Extreme Nationalism: Prioritization of national interests above all else, often accompanied by xenophobia and aggressive expansionism.”

Again, MJ simply lies about history. Mussolini was a socialist/communist. Then he left that for fascism:

“After being ousted by the Italian Socialist Party, Mussolini made a radical transformation, ending his support for class conflict and joining in support of revolutionary nationalism transcending class lines.^[43] He formed the interventionist newspaper Il Popolo d’Italia and the Fascio Rivoluzionario d’Azione Internazionalista (“Revolutionary Fasces of International Action”) in October 1914.^[38] The funds to create Il Popolo d’Italia—funneled through entrepreneur Filippo Naldi [it]—came from many sources, including domestic industrial and agrarian interests, such as the engineering giants Fiat and Ansaldo, and the governments of France and Britain.^{[b][45][47][48]}

On 5 December 1914, Mussolini denounced orthodox socialism for failing to recognise that the war had made national identity and loyalty more significant than class distinction.^[43] He fully demonstrated his transformation in a speech that acknowledged the nation as an entity, a notion he had rejected prior to the war, saying:

The nation has not disappeared. We used to believe that the concept was totally without substance. Instead we see the nation arise as a palpitating reality before us! … Class cannot destroy the nation. Class reveals itself as a collection of interests—but the nation is a history of sentiments, traditions, language, culture, and race. Class can become an integral part of the nation, but the one cannot eclipse the other.^[49]
The class struggle is a vain formula, without effect and consequence wherever one finds a people that has not integrated itself into its proper linguistic and racial confines—where the national problem has not been definitely resolved. In such circumstances the class movement finds itself impaired by an inauspicious historic climate.^[50]

Mussolini continued to promote the need of a revolutionary vanguard elite to lead society. He no longer advocated a proletarian vanguard, but instead a vanguard led by dynamic and revolutionary people of any social class.^[50] Though he denounced orthodox socialism and class conflict, he maintained at the time that he was a nationalist socialist and a supporter of the legacy of nationalist socialists in Italy’s history, such as Giuseppe Garibaldi, Giuseppe Mazzini, and Carlo Pisacane. As for the Italian Socialist Party and its support of orthodox socialism, he claimed that his failure as a member of the party to revitalise and transform it to recognise the contemporary reality revealed the hopelessness of orthodox socialism as outdated and a failure.^[51] This perception of the failure of orthodox socialism in the light of the outbreak of World War I was not solely held by Mussolini; other pro-interventionist Italian socialists such as Filippo Corridoni and Sergio Panunzio had also denounced classical Marxism in favour of intervention.^[52]

These basic political views and principles formed the basis of Mussolini’s newly formed political movement, the Fasci d’Azione Rivoluzionaria in 1914, who called themselves Fascisti (Fascists).^[53] At this time, the Fascists did not have an integrated set of policies and the movement was small, ineffective in its attempts to hold mass meetings, and was regularly harassed by government authorities and orthodox socialists.^[54] Antagonism between the interventionists versus the anti-interventionist orthodox socialists resulted in violence between the Fascists and socialists. These early hostilities between the Fascists and the revolutionary socialists shaped Mussolini’s conception of the nature of Fascism in its support of political violence.^[55]” Mussolini, wikipedia

Fascists want a one party government, the same as socialism. This does not make them the same ideology.

She also tries to quote Snopes, with what they said about the Nazi party. Strangely enough, she misses quoting the parts that show her as a liar: “The full name of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi Party, the political movement that brought him to power and supplied the infrastructure of the fascist dictatorship over which he would preside, was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.”

What she doesn’t show is the rest: “According to historians, the complicated moniker reveals more about the image the party wanted to project and the constituency it aimed to build than it did about the Nazis’ true political goals, which were building a state based on racial superiority and brute-force governance.”

You are quite the liar, MJ. What a fraud who shows just how Christianity fails. You make baby jesus cry.

Unsurprisngly, MJ shows the splintering in maga land where she attacks Nick Fuentes, and supports Kirk, which is just a mirror image of the murderer. In her little maga hole, she has missed where Fuentes called Kirk a fascist, and hmm, just how often do liberals say that being “gay” is something bad as in the writing from the murderer ““If you’re reading this, you are gay, LMAO”.

The adoption of Bella Ciao seems to be on both right and left: “”Bella Ciao” has taken on a new significance in recent years through its appearance in politics and pop culture.

Politically, it’s been co-opted by the left and the right. In January, for instance, left-wing activists in Germany sang the song at a protest against the far-right party AfD. Meanwhile, “Bella Ciao” also shows up on a Spotify playlist with hundreds of saves named for followers of white nationalist pundit Nick Fuentes, a well-known critic of Charlie Kirk.” – {How the Italian anthem ‘Bella Ciao’ is connected to Charlie Kirk’s killing, NPR

So yes, with messages like that, it makes all of the sense in the world that it is infighting between maga losers. There is no evidence of any relationship between the murderer and his housemate, so MJ still has nothing.

It’s notable how MJ claimed that cities burned down and even in her list of violence from liberals, curious how that’s still a lie. She has to again make up lies about defunding the police, and manages to forget how many police were killed and injured during Jan 6.

No surprise, that MJ also misrepresents what Gov Walz said too:

“”The thing that bothers a teacher more than anything is to watch a bully,” Walz, a former schoolteacher, said. “And when it’s a child, you talk to them and you tell them why bullying is wrong.”

“But when it’s an adult like Donald Trump, you bully the s–– out of him back… This is a… cruel man” – Fox News

Then MJ is offended that Trump is called “Hitler”. Hmm, I guess words do hurt and they are violence. Not one liberal on the media she mentions, CNN, MSNBC, etc has said that one should go out and kill conservatives, and of course, Kirk wasn’t killed by a conservative at all.

Of course, MJ claims facts which aren’t.

January 6 was a riot, that started as a protest. A protest doesn’t end up with people breaking into the US Capitol and shitting on desks. They had a gallows built to hang the vice president and others. Ashli Babbit was killed attacking police officers. The names of the officers hurt and killed are:

Brian Sicknick (U.S. Capitol Police): Died the day after the attack, on January 7, 2021, after suffering two strokes. The D.C. medical examiner ruled his death was from natural causes but noted that “all that transpired played a role in his condition”.

Caroline Edwards (U.S. Capitol Police): Suffered a concussion after being knocked unconscious during an assault.

Michael Fanone (Metropolitan Police Department): Was beaten with pipes, tased, and sustained a heart attack and a concussion.

Daniel Hodges (Metropolitan Police Department): Was attacked by rioters, who crushed him in a doorway and attempted to gouge out his eye.

and over a hundred more.

Trump only encouraged people to be peaceful hours after he was asked to. MJ, you are quite a liar again. Tsk.

Then MJ tries to lie about how peaceful anti-choice frauds are.

“At least 11 people have been killed in violence against abortion providers in the U.S. since 1993, according to the National Abortion Federation. Here are some details of those attacks:

—March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn is shot to death outside an abortion clinic in Pensacola, Florida, becoming the first U.S. doctor killed during an anti-abortion demonstration. Michael Griffin is convicted and sentenced to life in prison.

—July 29, 1994: Dr. John Bayard Britton and a volunteer bodyguard are slain outside another clinic in Pensacola. Barrett’s wife, June, is wounded. Paul Hill, 40, a former minister and anti-abortion activist, confesses and cites Griffin as an inspiration. Hill is convicted of murder and executed in 2003.

Dec. 30, 1994: John Salvi opens fire with a rifle inside two Boston-area abortion clinics, killing two receptionists and wounding five others. Sentenced to life without parole, he kills himself in prison in 1996.

Jan. 29, 1998: A bomb explodes just outside a clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, killing an off-duty police officer and wounding several others. Five years later, suspect Eric Robert Rudolph is captured in North Carolina. He admits to bombing the Birmingham clinic, another clinic and a gay bar outside Atlanta, and Centennial Olympic Park, a gathering spot for the 1996 Summer Games, an attack that killed one bystander and injured more than 100. Rudolph is serving multiple life sentences at the federal Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, near Colorado Springs.

Oct. 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian is fatally shot in his home in a suburb of Buffalo, New York. Militant abortion opponent James Kopp is convicted of the murder in 2003 and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison. He is also convicted of violating the federal Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act and sentenced to life in prison.

—May 31, 2009: Prominent late-term abortion provider Dr. George Tiller is shot and killed in a church in Wichita, Kansas, where he was serving as an usher; Tiller had been shot leaving his clinic 16 years earlier but survived. Scott Roeder confesses and is found guilty of murder and other counts. He is sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 50 years, but has that sentence vacated after a U.S. Supreme Court ruling. A new jury will decide how long he must serve before he is eligible for parole.

Nov. 27, 2015: A gunman kills a police officer and two people accompanying friends to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs. Nine others are wounded. Robert Lewis Dear, who has acknowledged being the shooter, tells investigators he drew inspiration from Hill, the killer in the 1994 Pensacola attack. – A look at fatal attacks in anti-abortion violence in the US, Associated Press.

I do love how she tries to lie and claim a “few”.

As usual she tries to excuse how the orange rapist said not one word about the assassinations in Minnesota. That assassin had a list of democratic politicians *and* abortion clinics he was going to attack. So, no conservatives don’t care since MJ has to make excuses why it’s okay for this to occur.

Then again, of course, MJ has to lie about Kirk not inciting violence. He did incite violence. Again, the quotes are above, and it’s no surprise that poor MJ just doesn’t have time to actually support her lies. It’s notable how these maga frauds never want to say if they agree with Kirk or not. They just try to avoid the issue by saying people can read the quotes and make up their minds. The NYT did retract a statement and surprise, that wasn’t the only one Kirk made in regards to jews.

She tries to excuse the remarks from the right about killing whomeve was the murderer saying it was a “hunger for justice”. Curious how there is no justice if one doesn’t know the reason for the shooting. And considering how the bible itself has no justice, there is nothing for Christains to point back to in their nonsense.

“Whelp…I think I got everything covered here. It’s truly sad to see this type of thing just because of someone’s political beliefs. The world isn’t supposed to be like this, and yet it is. Please pray for the people saying these heinous things about Charlie Kirk that they realize how bad their ideology is and find Christ.”

Yep, everything was covered, and MJ is a typical fraud. Pray hard guys sicne prayers never work. They certainly didn’t work for Kirk. Considering the lies above from a Christian, it seems that MJ has quite a bit of work to do to “find Christ”.