Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – God made in man’s image – very very dumb

“I, _________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; So help me God. “ – HB 2467, ArizonaState Legislature 

Some Christians want to force every student to say this before they are allowed to graduate.  Which I have to laugh at.  Oooh, do you think atheist will burst into flame if we do say such a thing?  That we’ll finally see God because you’ve brought it by the figurative sword at our throats whilst you hold our diploma hostage?  I’m sure these Republican twits would scream if anyone else wasted the state’s time and money with this joke but they are so desperate that they have no problem doing the same.

It’s also just great to see some Christians swearing oaths when their bible says they shouldn’t.  Matthew 5:33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.”

As always, it’s hard to find a better argument against Christianity, and religion in general than the believers themselves.  They pick and choose what they want to believe in, and they certainly go out of their way to bother other theists and atheists.  Jehovah’s Witnesses are not going to give an oath.  I might if I had to (gun to my head sort of thing) but I certainly wouldn’t mean it and just how stupid do these 8 TrueChristianstm think their god is?  That anyone can say “So help me God” and it’ll believe it?  It seems that  Christians want to force people to lie just to get a little external validation, in the delusion that if they hear enough people say “So help me God” that means their god exists and they are the special snowflakes they so long to be. 

Now, we do have one of the bill’s sponsors saying this

“As written, the bill does not exempt atheist students or those of different faiths from the requirement, though Thorpe has pledged to amend the measure. “In that we had a tight deadline for dropping our bills, I was not able to update the language,” he wrote in an e-mail to the Arizona Republic. “Even though I want to encourage all of our students to understand and respect our Constitution and constitutional form of government, I do not want to create a requirement that students or parents may feel uncomfortable with.”

So he’ was caught and now has to make up an excuse just like every other wannabe theocrat.  I don’t buy this deadline excuse for one single second.  It’s just more lies and bullshit from the religous right.  Seems like Mr. Thorpe thinks we’re as blind about lies as he would have his god be.

Postscript (01/29/13) – I have seen where at least one person in the “atheosphere” says this isn’t wasn’t aimed against atheists (Skepchick for one).  I do believe it is and this is why:  can anyone imagine that these Republican men would have put out this legislation *without* the “So help me God” part?   I can just imagine the uproar if it had been left out.  We can know what kind of uproar would be likely from the Democratic convention in 2012 when they left out the sycophantic supplication to this god.

7 thoughts on “Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – God made in man’s image – very very dumb

  1. Boss when you quote for the a passage from their good book, they will tell you your interpretation is wrong even when the contradiction is staring them in the face.
    So before a guy gets the diploma, they has to swear to god to help them? Calling that crazy would demean crazy people and stuff! It is sad


    1. Of course they will claim the interpretation is “wrong”. That always pleases me since their efforts are so transparent as you’ve noted. Even better, they’ll tell their fellow Chrisitans that they are wrong too.
      I do agree that calling people like this crazy does do a disservice to people who indeed might be crazy. I think PZ Myers over at Pharyngula has it right with this description of a certain type of theist: “personification of the banality and jovial stupidity of evil.” from here:


  2. Just the word “theocracy” makes me cringe. To think of the possibility of living under such conditions is enough to make me ill. I think it scares me more than the chance of martial law and a military dictatorship.


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