I felt like a long post today, sitting here in the air conditioning. If you’ve been reading my posts, you’ll have seen most if not all of this before. Move on and watch part of one of my favorite cartoon movies Rock and Rule: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR-Z92eXVoo
Occasionally, my spam filter catches some lazy Christian spam. The below is that (in italics) and what my responses to such nonsense.
In December of 2017, Donald Trump made history by recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Why is this big news? Because by this the Jewish people of Israel are now able to press forward in bringing about the Third Temple prophesied in the Bible.
Funny how the Israelis don’t seem to be interested at all in what evangelical Christians want.
Jewish Rabbis have publicly announced that their Messiah will be revealed in the coming years who will be a leader and spiritual guide to all nations, gathering all religions under the worship of one God.
Of course, this is simply nonsense. Their messiah isn’t the Christian one. And they claimed this would happen a couple of thousand years ago too, and it hasn’t happened yet.
Biblical prophecy tells us that this Jewish Messiah who will take the stage will be the antichrist “who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” (2 Thessalonians 2:4). For a time he will bring about a false peace, but “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (Matthew 24:15)…then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21).
Ah, here we go, the usual Christian claims that anyone but them doesn’t have the truth and are evil. It again shows that any concern that a conservative Christian has for Israel is completely selfish and the sadistic hope that millions are murdered. How pathetic…. Again.
More importantly, the power that runs the world wants to put a RFID microchip in our body making us total slaves to them. This chip matches perfectly with the Mark of the Beast in the Bible, more specifically in Revelation 13:16-18:
“He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”
Now we have claims that RFID tags are now the “number of the beast”. Darn, I thought that was social security numbers, or bar codes on potato chips, serial numbers on currency or whatever failed claims that Christians have made over the years.
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.”
Referring to the last days, this could only be speaking of a cashless society, which we have yet to see, but are heading towards. Otherwise, we could still buy or sell without the mark amongst others if physical money was still currency. This Mark couldn’t be spiritual because the word references two different physical locations. If it was spiritual it would just say in the forehead. RFID microchip implant technology will be the future of a one world cashless society containing digital currency. It will be implanted in the right-hand or the forehead, and we cannot buy or sell without it. Revelation 13:11-18 tells us that a false prophet will arise on the world scene doing miracles before men, deceiving them to receive this Mark. Do not be deceived! We must grow strong in Jesus. AT ALL COSTS, DO NOT TAKE IT!
Hmmm, so how can Christians know who is doing the “real” miracles and which are doing the not real ones? And so, if I have a tag put in my left hand, then it isn’t a mark of the beast? A quick search on the internet has all sorts of claims about the mark of the beast with even some Christians claiming that a cross is the mark of the beast. Honestly, guys, can’t you get your act together? But thanks again for showing that your fantasies are just that, and that you all have made up Christianity in your own image.
“Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name” (Revelation 14:9-11).
People have been saying the end is coming for many years, but we needed two key things. One, the Third Temple, and two, the technology for a cashless society to fulfill the prophecy of the Mark of the Beast.
Visit (complete bullshit and failed prophecy) to see proof for these things and why the Bible truly is the word of God!
If you haven’t already, it is time to seek God with all your heart. Jesus loves you more than you could imagine. He wants to have a relationship with you and redeem you from your sins. Turn to Him and repent while there is still hope! This is forever…God bless!
Hmm, so no third temple happening. Christians claiming that the Jewish messiah is the anti-christ and yet again inventing something else to be the “mark of the beast” since they’ve failed every other time before. Add to this that their god works with this beast in the bible and we have quite an idiotic religion:
Revelation 17 16 And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the whore; they will make her desolate and naked; they will devour her flesh and burn her up with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by agreeing to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.
Revelation 20: Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3 and threw him into the pit, and locked and sealed it over him, so that he would deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be let out for a little while.”
So why does this beast need to be “let out for a little while” after this god murdered every non-Christian? Isn’t it done now? This god is quite the idiot. Love doesn’t do this.
“EITHER HUMAN INTELLIGENCE ULTIMATELY OWES ITS ORIGIN TO MINDLESS MATTER OR THERE IS A CREATOR…” – JOHN LENNOX
We all know God exists. Why? Because without Him, we couldn’t prove anything at all. Do we live our lives as if we cannot know anything? No. So why is God necessary? In order to know anything for certain, you would have to know everything, or have revelation from somebody who does. Who is capable of knowing everything? God. So to know anything, you would have to be God, or know God.
More lies. Nope, we all don’t know that the version of this god that this person thinks exists, exists. He also makes quite a ridiculous claim that to know anything, one must know everything. Which would indicate that since this person doesn’t know everything, he knows nothing and his claims about his god are completely false. Why are some Christians so thoughtless about their own claims? Of course he uses special pleading to try to claim that he does know something, because he’s best friends with this god.
A worldview without God cannot account for the uniformity and intelligibility of nature. And why is it that we can even reason that God is the best explanation for this if there is no God? We are given reason to know or reject God, but never to know that He does not exist.
It has been calculated by Roger Penrose that the odds of the initial conditions for the big bang to produce the universe that we see to be a number so big, that we could put a zero on every particle in the universe, and even that would not be enough to use every zero. What are the odds that God created the universe? Odds are no such thing. Who of you would gamble your life on one coin flip?
The laws of physics can account for the universe quite well, again we have a failed version of the ontological argument e.g. the presumption that this god has to exist when there is no need for it. Unsurprisingly, there appears to be no such quote from Roger Penrose. (if anyone can find it, let me know) Penrose is of the opinion that the universe will end in a “Big Crunch”, something that doesn’t work with Christian theology nor does it work with current facts about the universe.
Is there evidence that the Bible is the truth? Yes. Did you know that the creation accounts listed in the book of Genesis are not only all correct, but are also in the correct chronological order? That the Bible doesn’t say the Earth was formed in six 24-hour days but rather six long but finite periods of time? That the Bible makes 10 times more creation claims than all major “holy” books combined with no contradictions, while these other books have errors in them? The Bible stood alone by concurring with the big bang saying, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Genesis 1:1); and says our universe is expanding, thousands of years before scientists discovered these things. Watch a potential life-changing video on the front page of MORE CRAP with Astronomer(PhD) Hugh Ross explaining all these facts based on published scientific data. He has authored many books, backed even by atheist scientists.
Well, our Christian isn’t doing so well with his claims. Now, we have our Christian claiming that the creation “accounts” (he does realize that there are at least 2) are in chronological order. However, they do contradict each other, so either our Christian is intentionally lying or is simply ignorant of his bible. He does try the “but the “days” weren’t really days, contradicting most young earth creationists. Again, guys, can’t you get your stories straight? Here we go with what the bible actually says in Genesis. Oh and Hugh Ross is an old earth creationist, which means he doesn’t agree with young earth creationists. It’s rather pathetic that an astronomer thinks he should be considered an expert on biology and evolutionary theory. His position of “progressive creationism” is a great example of how religion always follows science and tries to cling to its skirts to validate itself, never the other way around.
First version: 1.formless void and water; 2. Forming the earth (a void isn’t solid); 3. Light 4. A dome shaped sky. 5. Dry land 6. Plants; 7. Sun and moon and dots of light on a dome; 8. Water based Animals, birds and sea monsters; 9. Land animals. 10. Man and woman created together.
Second version: 1. Earth and heavens; 2. Water; 3. Male human out of clay; 4. Plants; 5. Land animals and birds; 6. Female human out of a rib from Adam since God can’t figure out that an aardvark isn’t a “helpmeet” for Adam.
Well, I guess we got no sea life thanks to creation story #2.
Jesus fulfilled more than 300 Messianic prophecies concerning His birth place, details of His life, His mission, His nature, His death, and His resurrection. He came to pay a debt that we could not, to be our legal justifier to reconcile us back to a Holy God; only if we are willing to receive Him: “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).
God so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten son, so that whoever believes in Him, through faith, shall not perish, but have everlasting life. Jesus says if we wish to enter into life to keep the commands! The two greatest commands are to love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind; and your neighbor as yourself. All the law hang on these commands. We must be born of and lead by the Holy Spirit, to be called children of God, to inherit the kingdom. If we are willing to humble ourselves in prayer to Jesus, to confess and forsake our sins, He is willing to give the Holy Spirit to those who keep asking of Him; giving us a new heart, leading us into all truth!
No, JC didn’t fulfill 300 prophecies because there aren’t that many prophecies. Christians have taken parts of the bible that aren’t prophetic at all and have invented prophecies by mangling them into something to support their supposed messiah. We also have no evidence of the supposed events in JC’s life, nor evidence for any of the other supposed special events in the bible. No latrines from the Exodus, no one noticing a major earthquake, the sky darkening and the dead walking around Jerusalem on a certain day, etc. This Christians claim of a supposed sacrifice of a man/god for our sins contradicts the bible when it says that no one would be held accountable for someone else’s action (of course it contradicts itself when it says that yep, this would happen). This Christian also says that Christians should follow the commands of this god, which is rather silly since many other Christians insist that they don’t.
Jesus came to free us from the bondage of sin. The everlasting fire was prepared for the devil and his angels due to disobedience to God’s law. If we do the same, what makes us any different than the devil? Jesus says unless we repent, we shall perish. We must walk in the Spirit, producing fruits of love and forgiveness, so we may not fulfill the lusts of the flesh being hatred, fornication, drunkenness and the like. Whoever practices such things will not inherit the kingdom (Galatians 5:16-26). If we sin, we may come before Jesus to ask for forgiveness (1 John 2:1-2). Evil thoughts are not sins, but rather temptations. It is not until these thoughts conceive and give birth by our hearts desire that they become sin (James 1:12-15). When we sin, we become in the likeness of the devil’s image, for he who sins is of the devil (1 John 3:8); but if we obey Jesus, in the image of God. For without holiness, we shall not see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).
Actually, JC didn’t do anything of the sort. This god supposedly needed a reason to convince itself to not murder everyone after its repeated failures, if we are to believe the bible. The flood didn’t work. The commandments didn’t work, so finally this god decided that a blood sacrifice is what would work. It’s also interesting that our Christian claims that evil thoughts aren’t sins, but JC said they were in the bible. Darn, who are we to believe? Matthew 5 “27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.[l] 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to go into hell.”
The oldest religion in the world is holiness (James 1:27). What religion did Adam and Eve follow before the fall? Jesus, Who became the last Adam, what religion does He follow? Is He not holy? He never told us to follow any religion or denomination but to deny ourselves, take up our cross daily, and follow Him (Luke 9:23). There are many false doctrines being taught leading people astray. This is why we need the Holy Spirit for discernment. Unlike religion, holiness cannot be created. It is given to us from above by the baptism of the Spirit. Jesus is more than a religion; He is about having a personal relationship with the Father. Start by reading the Gospel of Matthew, to hear the words of God, to know His character and commandments. Follow and obey Jesus, for He is the way, the truth, and the life!
No, the oldest religion in the world is likely some type of animism. Adam and Eve evidently had no religion before the fall since supposed their god was right there with them, well, at least it either intentionally allowed the serpent in or was too stupid to keep it out. Each version of Christianity wans to claim that they and only they have the “right” version, and insist that everyone else teaches “false doctrines”. Alas for them, they can’t do anything like a Christian is supposed to be able to do any more than their fellow Christians.
My intent is to show that Christianity has nothing to do with the idea of being humane and honest. It is not another word for “good”.
7 thoughts on “Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – Addressing Christian spam nonsense.”
Love … love … love the way you broke this down! You should enjoy your air-conditioning more often. 😉
When looking through eyes that have had the cataracts of Christianity removed, it all becomes so clear. I was taught all of this “divine information” in my believer days … but thank goodness, I had the surgery.
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thanks, Nan, much appreciated 🙂 It does make me wonder how I could have believed such nonsense and taught it myself, albeit to bible school kids. What utter nonsense.
It is just sad that so many adults (most holed up in certain parts of the United States) spend their days thinking about (and hoping for) annihilation.
There is so much that can be addressed in that, I’ll just address one point.
Back in May of 2006 I had multiple conversations with a co-worker, he was a JW and I an Atheist. Because the next month would be the sixth month of the sixth year and of course it came with a sixth day (6/6/06) our discussions were about the Beast. We had multiple conversations over several weeks. Because of the coming date, his bible study sessions had been focusing on the number of the beast as told in the JW Bible. So he was a pretty reliable source, from a religious perspective, regarding the subject. I was pretty good friends with this person and he did not spam his religion on us, he kept to himself and was always willing to answer any questions I had. His answers were always honest, if he did not know something he would say so, and a couple of times he would come back to me with his an answer. I never challenged his religion, that is his choice, but he knew by my questions that I considered his God, or any God, as a bunch of BS.
Anyway, the conclusion I came up with based on our conversation(s) was; Any organization that threatens the Church is represented as the Beast in the Bible. The main culprit being any form of government (control of the people) that is not through the Church. And the Bible versus were meant for the faithful to be always on the guard against such an entity.
Makes me wonder if our forefathers were on to something with this separation of Church and State stuff they put into out Constitution.
I think you are right. Anyone in power wants the other powers to be seen as evil. Even Christian sects.
The RFID chips have been implanted in animals for over a decade now. Apparently it only works when implanted in the forehead…so, don’t let ’em put it in your forehead! Put it in the earlobe, like any civilized person would wear!
Good job sifting through the BS. A good read.