Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – Reflecting some more on the SCOTUS rescinding Roe v.Wade

I have the following. Please do feel free to borrow as you will.  I will guess that my Christian blog followers will be deathly silent. 

We have had the pleasure of watching at least two Catholics (I had mistakenly called them evangelical Christians) lie under oath, Kavanaugh and Barrett. (most curious since evangelicals are sure that Catholics are heretics at best and satanworhippers at worst)  They took their oaths on bibles and per their god.  They claimed they would allow precedent to stand.  They lied, quite intentionally, and happily have shown that there is no reason to trust Christians at all.  I do wonder, do they think if they pray for “forgiveness” and their god will accept that, or will they simply treat it as a vending machine, doing what they want, and demanding forgiveness every time.   Hmmm, nothing like liars and hypocrites underlining how useless Christianity is.  They have shown that no one can trust a conservative Christian at all; they are cultists, little different from the Taliban.

In my latest Freedom from Religion Foundation newsletter, I have the story of Arely Hernandez, killed by Christians during a supposed “exorcism”.  They beat her to death and starved her until she died.  Her mother’s words were “It is what it is.”  So much for this religion being “pro-life”.  One has to wonder where this god was, since it supposedly could have stopped it.  Did its plan require a little girl to suffer and die?  Where are the Christians taking a fit about this?  Oh yes, they have much trouble criticizing other Christians since that means their own nonsense will be noticed. 

Of course, these anti-choice people won’t agree to the fact, that since they wanted the children, it is up to them to provide good homes, good food, good medical care, good education, etc for *all* of these children. No one else now has that responsibility.  You wanted these children, you now must treat them well like any one who wants children should. 

Clarence Thomas said out loud what the QOP desperately hoped he wouldn’t, that any and all rulings are up for grabs.  He mentioned marriage rights and contraceptive rights.  Unsurprisingly, he didn’t mention miscegenation rights – inter-racial marriage), being married to a white woman.   He is a hypocrite, as most, if not all, conservatives are.  

The SCOTUS could have waited for next year to give this ruling.  They were idiots and did it a few months  before mid-term elections.  It’s as if they wanted the Democrats to win.  They QOP has nothing to whip their idiots into a frenzy anymore, and everyone else now knows that the Catholics and Evangelicals want to remove freedoms.

In all of history, it’s never been the good guys who take away freedoms and rights.   Christians have found themselves squarely as the “baddies”, even the “liberal” ones unless they do a damn good job of showing that they have nothing to do with the wannabee theocrats.



And for your convenience, let’s see how many times this god kills children or advocates their killing in the bible.

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. -Exodus 21

If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. -Proverbs 20

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.  They are guilty of a capital offense. – Leviticus 20

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. – Deut 13

Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ – Numbers 1

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. – Isaiah 14:21

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived.  Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you.  It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone.  I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre.  But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.”  O LORD, what should I request for your people?  I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk.  The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them.  I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions.  I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels.  The people of Israel are stricken.  Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit.  And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” – Hosea 9

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple.”  Hosea 9

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed.  Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. – Exodus 12

“With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms.  With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer.  With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens.  – Jeremiah 51

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins.  I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. – Leviticus 26

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. – Isaiah 13

‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt.  Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban.  Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ – 1 Samuel 15

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. – Jeremiah 48

When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside.  So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all.  For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed.  Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. – Joshua 8

 They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. – Joshua 6

And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike.  I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone.  I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.’”  Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam’s wife, “Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die.  – 1 Kings 14

The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon.  Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. – Judges 20

All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come over here and join me.” And all the Levites came.  He told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.”  The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day.  Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing.” – Exodus 32:

Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man’s body and into the woman’s stomach.  So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. – Numbers 25

The Lord struck the child whom Uriah’s wife bore to David, and it became very ill. 16 David therefore pleaded with God for the child; David fasted and went in and lay all night on the ground. 17 The elders of his house stood beside him urging him to rise from the ground, but he would not, nor did he eat food with them. 18 On the seventh day the child died. – 2 Samuel 12

Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock! – Psalm 137

Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes;their houses will be plundered and their wives raped. – Isaiah 13

Thus says the Lord: I am about to fill all the inhabitants of this land—the kings who sit on David’s throne, the priests, the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem—with drunkenness. 14 And I will dash them one against another, parents and children together, says the Lord. I will not pity or spare or have compassion when I destroy them. – Jeremiah 13

23 He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!” 24 When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 2 Kings 2

Because you have trusted in your chariots, in the multitude of your warriors,14 therefore the multitude of war shall rise against your people,  and all your fortresses shall be destroyed, as Shalman destroyed Beth-arbel on the day of battle, when mothers were dashed in pieces with their children.15 Thus it shall be done to you, O Bethel,  because of your great wickedness. – Hosea 10

Samaria shall bear her guilt because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the  word; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. – Hosea 13

Yet she became an exile; she went into captivity; even her infants were dashed in pieces at the head of every street; lots were cast for her nobles;  all her dignitaries were bound in fetters. – Nahum 3

Of course, there are many more (and surprising, how much this god has against farm animals since it senselessly requires those killed too).   Now, funny how this god promises it won’t harm children for what the parents do: 18 The word of the Lord came to me: What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, “The parents have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge”? As I live, says the Lord God, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. Know that all lives are mine; the life of the parent as well as the life of the child is mine: it is only the person who sins who shall die. – Ezekiel 18

All of the above can be found right here in just about any version you’d like to f – Biblegateway.com

So, was this god lying?  Is this god’s morality subjective aka situational?  And hmm, since this god never wanted Adam and Eve to know what evil and good were, one has to wonder if it didn’t want them to question it when it does such things and knew such things were coming.    The only reason that, per the bible, that humans have morality is because Eve gave it to them.  And then perhaps you have to thank the ol’ snake itself. 

The common Christian excuse is “oh well, they are better off in heaven.”  Nothing is quite so cold and so selfish. 

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – now the QOP finds another group they’ve ignored to use as an excuse

Currently here in the US, we have the usual conservative Christians trying to force their lies on everyone again, this time trying to stop legal abortion.

We also have them being ever so concerned about children in the US being “starved” by immigrant families being given infant formula, which is in short supply here in the US for various reasons. they of course blame President Biden, which is always hilarious since a president doesn’t have that kind of power, no matter how they tried to invest their orange moron with it.

These people have consistently tried to eliminate any help for mothers and children, be it SNAP (food assistance), WIC (a program to help women and children get care and good nutrition), and basic welfare like good public schools and affordable housing. But ah, now that they can try to be claim how concerned they are about these people, just so they can excuse their need to deny help for their fellow humans.

This happened the last time when the conservative Christians insisted how much they cared about the “homeless veterans” when they wanted to also keep immigrants out, claiming housing shortages and job that “should” go to “Americans”. They of course dropped their concern as soon as they realized that it wasn’t working as an excuse.

Those veterans are still homeless and the working poor’s kids will still be hungry when they kick them to the curb too. Nothing like a conservative Christian to show just how worthless their cult is. They aren’t “pro-life” they are pro-theocracy and their selfish, petty, greedy religion.

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – it’s time to stand up, liberal Christians

Unsurprisingly, conservative Christians are doing all they can to turn the US into a theocracy.  They want to control everyone, not just women, not just LGBT… folks, not just people of different religions, etc. Everyone.  All based on their belief that some god wants this.  They of course can’t show this god even exists or theirs is the right version.  They find they must invent a god that agrees with them. 

They are trying to claim that the US constitution determines the laws of this land and if it doesn’t mention something, those laws can’t be on the federal level.  McConnell is of course now wanting a federal level law to make abortion illegal, which shows just how much conservative Christians lie when they have claimed how much they want states to have the ability to rule on abortion the way the people want:

“If the leaked opinion became the final opinion, legislative bodies — not only at the state level but at the federal level — certainly could legislate in that area, And if this were the final decision, that was the point that it should be resolved one way or another in the legislative process. So yeah, it’s possible.”

They don’t care about that at all.  They want their way no matter what, democracy be damned. And evidently their god be damned since it says not to lie and they have chosen to do so.

It’s notable that some of the justices are also now shown to have lied under oath with their claims of respecting precedent.

Of course, these cowards are sitting behind a fence to protect them, something that they refused to allow when it came to women getting their legal healthcare. 

It is time for everyone to stand up against this, and for anyone who wants to claim they are a Christian, just not THAT type, to be loud to show us there is a difference.  If not, they are going to be responsible for the destruction of the freedoms of the US because of their tacit acceptance of this nonsense.   If there is a theocracy, there can only be one “church”.   

Which is more important?  Your freedoms or your need to circle the wagons to protect your religion? 

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – when the quiet part is said aloud

“There is nothing more wretched than murdering babies before they’re born.” – JB

“Memorable villains are not pro-choice. The greatest villains always exert their will over everyone else.”- JB

“Heroes never kill innocent people. Everybody knows that and you’re never going to achieve hero status by sacrificing babies for any cause.” – JB

Seems like this god isn’t quite what christians usually try to claim. Rather surprising when a Christian shows this so well.

I suspect it isn’t quite what he intended.

A pdf of the failure.

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – Well, we got the truth on what some Chrisitans really want -A theocracy and a war.

this god kills kids to show off

This morning I read The Friendly Atheist’s (aka Hemat Mehta) post on Patheos: “WA Lawmaker Attends Fundraiser for Liberty, a Proposed 51st State for Christians”   Of course these idiots think that they can just take other people’s land, up in the northwest US and that the US Constitution will allow this.   That won’t happen. Now, perhaps they can just go Alabama since Christians have been trying to make that a theocracy repeatedly. But they of course don’t want a coastal state since it’s hot, going to suffer from the climate change they deny, and will get nailed by hurricanes that they always claim come because of someone else’s “sin”.

We’ve seen nonsense like this before with the founder of Domino’s Pizza, Tom Monaghan, (one of the rabid Catholics with Opus Dei) wanting a Catholic town. He did get it, calle Ave Maria, Florida. Ah, only in Florida. The Wikipedia article says this about it “Ave Maria has a severe mosquito problem and has been sprayed more than 30 times via airplane with pesticides by the Collier Mosquito Control District in 2015 with organophosphates and pyrethroids,[21] making it the most sprayed area in Southwest Florida.” Seems they have their own version of the ten plagues.

For the war bit, I read an opinion piece in my local Sunday paper by Chistine Flowers. You’ve seen her name on this blog before because she is a Roman Catholic apologist, who does get upset when the truth is told about her ignorant religion. She’s at it again, with her op-ed piece “With new abortion legislation, America is on the right track”. This is what she claims right off “’ I’m here to dispense with the niceties of “can’t we all get along?” No, we can’t. The fight for the right to life is a war.”

Oh my, how silly. Ms. Flowers certainly wants a war, doesn’t she? Alas, she’s declaring war against the United States of America, the vast majority who doesn’t agree with her religious ignorance and demands for a theocracy. Poor Ms. Flowers, she has declared that unless she gets her way, no exceptions for abortion and her theocratic nonsense in place, she’ll become John Brown at Harper’s Ferry. Now, it seems either Ms. Flowers isn’t so pro life since she seems to be so ignorant about John Brown, because the truth of that particular story is that John Brown was an incompetent man who got people killed and failed at what he claimed he was trying to do.

Ms. Flowers is “relieved” that men are taking away health care choice from women who dare to disagree with Ms. Flowers. She has no problem with laws being made with ignorance of basic medicine, having no problem with nonsense like claims that ectopic pregnancies can be “fixed” as the claims in the Ohio legislation. She goes on to lie about Rep, Brian Sims being “aggressive” to anti-choice protestors (an “older white woman and three teenagers” as Ms. Flowers strangely specifies) when he said this “”Shame on you. What you’re doing here is disgusting. This is wrong. You have no business being out here,” and you can watch it here: https://www.pscp.tv/BrianSimsPA/1BRJjvOnrzwJw   Hmmm, compare this to accusations of murder and false information that Ms. Flowers advocates to be told to women who choose to get an abortion and the murders of people that anti-choice have been doing for years, bombing clinics, and putting up lists of doctors to be killed, etc. It seems that yet again, Ms Flowers gets offended to have the truth be shown about her religion and her attempts to control people because of it. It isn’t very flattering to be shown to be wanting the same sharia law that Ms. Flowers and other conservatives keep trying to lie about being used by Muslims in the United States.

Ms. Flowers goes on to laud that some of our conservative Christian legislators here in PA decided to show how wonderful they are by voting on a bill called The Downs Syndrome Protection Act, that they invented to try to claim that abortions were doing done left and right for fetus’s with downs syndrome. They of course forget to mention that Downs Syndome is not the media version of the happy child that is affected by a mild form. Down’s Syndrome can manifest many ways, and not all parents can handle children with this syndrome. She also forgets that the Republicans in the legislature of PA have consistently voted to cut help to mental health and medical support for those afflicted by such problems. It takes a lot of hypocrisy to try to use people with Down’s Syndrome to try to legislate your religion in to law.

Ms. Flowers is happy that Alabama has passed a bad on abortion that will force rape victims to keep the pregnancy forced on them by violence and a child to keep the pregnancy forced on them by a relative. “And that brings me to Wednesday when the Alabama legislature passed their own abortion ban which makes no exception for rape or incest.

Alabama State Sen. Clyde Chambliss, who sponsored the bill, characterized the legislation as a necessary government intervention to protect human rights. “When God creates the miracle of life inside a woman’s womb, it is not our place as human beings to extinguish that life,” Chambliss said.”

What a pathetic human being, Ms. Flowers is, for all of her claims of being “pro-life” but intentionally wanting to force a woman to risk her life because Ms. Flowers thinks her god wants it this way.

Despite her claims that the “pro-life” movement should be more than “pro-birth, Ms. Flowers doesn’t care as long as she gets her way, and she’s threatening to go to “war” for it. Hmmm, who else has said that? Ah yes, the fighters who want an Islamic Caliphate, to control people by their hate-filled and ignorant religion who murdered people who didn’t agree with them. Well, Christine, the folks who are in ISIS want to tell you how much they approve of you. Just put in a burka and you’ll be all set.

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – Roe v. Wade

006-Men-Cant-Get-PregnantThis day is an anniversary of the date that women won the ability to control their own bodies here in the US when it comes to childbirth and abortion. This was the famous Roe vs. Wade decision.

Pleasantly enough, I have just read that the GOP majority in the US House of Representatives have failed to pass their draconian bill to attempt to retake control over women and treat them as second-class citizens who can’t make their own health care decisions.  Some of their own members, women for the most part it seems, were not willing to vote for something that would require women to report rape to the police to be permitted to have an abortion.   In an aside, lots of these Republicans in congress would like to entirely eliminate abortions for any reason, essentially forcing girls and women to bear the children of their abusers and forcing girls and women to bear to term fetus that have no chance of survival for no reason.

I personally think abortion is a stupid means of birth control, when there are so many good methods out there (let’s hear it for IUDs!).  However, a puritan sense of morality keeps those hard to get for women, so abortions are what many are left with.

Many Christians claim that they are “pro-life”.  This is shown not to be the case when these same people are often horrified if they are expected to provide a decent life for that child.  These people are simply “pro-control”, needing to make everyone obey their religion and beliefs in a need for external validation.

If you are so interested in preventing abortions, support the availability of birth control and good thorough sex education, not some crap about celibacy which does not work.  I had to be my friends sex ed teacher when we were in high school because the class was taught by gym teachers who had no idea what they were doing, and who never talked about anything but the anatomy charts.  My mom was smart enough to talk to me and let me ask questions.  None of my friends got pregnant; a lot of other girls did.

And if you still want to pretend your religion has a position on abortion, read your bible.  Your god does a lot of killing and commands a lot of killing in there, women, children, and men and not one bit about how it’s important to keep eggs and semen.  If you think that this god will judge anyone who supports a women’s right to control her own body, then allow him.  Trying to murder them yourself certainly shows you have no respect for life at all or care what your bible says.