Not So Polite Dinner Conversation: Ray Comfort thinks he’s being clever again “Is God a Cruel Tyrant?”

Ray Comfort thinks he’s being clever again. He has an attempt to claim his god isn’t a “cruel tyrant”.

My father used to hit me. He would daily leave my mother to raise us kids, and I once saw him kill a helpless animal with his bare hands. With that information you could understandably come to the conclusion that my father was a tyrant.

And of course, there is indeed information missing to explain what Ray is trying to claim.

But listen to some missing information. If I ever lied or stole, my dad cared enough to correct me on the seat of my learning, and for that I greatly respected him and stayed on the straight and narrow. The reason he left my mom each day was to work hard as a carpenter and provide food for our table. And that animal he killed…it was a large bird that had been struck by a car and had been left to die on the side of the road. He put the poor animal out of its misery, and it grieved him to do so.

One has to wonder how many times Ray lied or stole from someone, being a raised as a Christian and all. Must have been often and he still does it. A pity his father isn’t still around. One also has to wonder exactly how Ray’s dad killed an injured bird with his “bare hands”. My father had to kill a hawk that I found; it had been shot and left to die, filled with maggots. He shot it and it died quickly and cleanly.

With that knowledge you can now see that my dad wasn’t a tyrant. He was a loving and kind father.

Yep, we can see that this human wasn’t a tyrant, if somewhat questionable.

Richard Dawkins believes that God is more than just a tyrant. He said:

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

But there’s some missing information he’s not giving you that changes everything…for those who will listen.

Dawkins is right, this god is all that he mentions and more (I can give verses if you’d like). We have a god that either intentionally allows the “serpent” in the garden or was too stupid to keep it out. Then this god punishes humans for listening to and believing the second most powerful being in the universe, if we are to believe the bible. We continue on with this god wandering off and when it comes back, it is upset no one is worshipping it anymore, deeming that to be “evil” and then killing everyone on earth (minus 8 including a drunkard), including children, plus animals and plants that had nothing to do with this.

We then head to Exodus, where this god forgets that its people are suffering, and when it does remember, proceeds to mind control people so it can show off. This showing off kills many. Farther along, we have this god killing a child for its parents actions, being afraid of a tall building, and repeatedly screwing up in choosing kings for its supposed “chosen” people.

Then, finally, this god, having repeatedly trying and failing to get its people to do what it wants, decides it needs a blood sacrifice of itself to apologize for it allowing the serpent in.

This is what Ray claims:

This same morally perfect and holy Creator (whose seeming harsh judgments were always “righteous and true altogether”) became a morally perfect human being. He did this to save us from the same just wrath that spilled upon the wicked nations of the Old Testament. Most of us know that Jesus of Nazareth gave His life as a sacrifice for the sin of the world. What they don’t know is that we violated God’s Law (the Ten Commandments) and justly deserve the wrath of the moral Law, but Jesus paid our fine in full. That means that God can legally dismiss our case. He can commute our death sentence and let us live forever, because our fine was paid by Another who then rose from the dead.

“Morally perfect”? Where? Only if one assumes that anything that this god does is “morally perfect” just because it is this god e.g. a morality based on might equals right.  And wrath on the nations in the ancient Middle East?  Where?  No one noticed.

The verse that Ray is quoting from is this, Psalm 19: The law of the Lord is perfect,  reviving the soul; the decrees of the Lord are sure, making wise the simple;  the precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the Lord is clear, enlightening the eyes; the fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever; the ordinances of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.”

Now we have a problem here for Christians since none of them follow these commandments and laws of this god. Not even every Jew follows them these “perfect laws” or even tries.  We also have this psalm that as a great example of the ignorance of bible characters about the universe, assuming that the sun has a tent that this god puts it in.  This is also supposedly David singing, to a creature that killed his child.  It takes a lot of fear and stupidity to laud a child-murderer (of course many Christians will say it’s not “murder” since this god has the right to do whatever it wants with humans).

You know, like a tyrant.

No, “most of us” don’t know or believe that this magical man gave his life for anything. We have a story, that has this magical man really not wanting to do this, and being forced by this god to be a human sacrifice for something it caused to happen. (the gospel of John of course contradicts this). And Ray, sorry to tell you but there are quite a few more commandments from your supposed god than just 10. Ray also argues that we don’t need those commandments in public buildings since “Jesus paid our fine in full.”

One has to wonder what legality that this god is beholden to, if it can “legally dismiss our case”.   That would be something beyond this god.

The same holy God who considers lust to be adultery and hatred to be murder, made provision for His great love and mercy to be extended towards those who repent and trust in the Savior. For the Christian, the cross of Jesus Christ shows that God isn’t the wicked tyrant that foolish and ignorant men make Him out to be. It is the missing information that changes everything.

So, if this god considers even a thought as bad as the act, one has to wonder why this god constantly allows these people to commit their acts, rather than smiting them like he supposedly used to do. He could stop raping priests and pastors, because he let them have their free will in their minds. But this god does nothing at all, not even what a parent would do to correct a child. There is no “love and mercy” toward those who this god intentionally allows harm to come to. Such an incompetent tyrant Ray has as a god.

I’m quite pleased to provide that missing information that Ray chose not to present.

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Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – when Christians lie about mental illness

Often a theist, usually a Christian, will claim that since they do no harm, why do I attack their claims.  Well, this is why, when a Christian lies about mental health and mental illness.  When their claims will harm someone.  Ray Comfort and his cult now try to make claims about depression, something that many struggle with and that many lose their struggle and commit suicide.   Now, let’s look at the pamphlet that they’ve created.  This is what makes this atheist angry.

IF YOU HAVE EVER had suicidal thoughts, you’re not alone. It’s very common. And if you suffer from depression, you don’t have a mental disease. You are sane and you’re normal, because life is depressing. It’s filled with pain and suffering. As you go through life, your beloved dog dies. So does your sweet grandma. Then you realize that no one survives. We are all going to die and it seems that there’s nothing we can do about it. That’s very depressing. 

TWO QUESTIONS
What is the world’s best-selling book of all time? It’s the Bible. Are you familiar with its story of the rich young ruler who ran to Jesus, knelt down and asked, “Good Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?” How would you answer that question? Before you answer, let me give you a quick scenario: Imagine you feel a painful lump under your arm. So you go to the doctor. He examines it, looks concerned, does some tests, and comes back with a grim expression and says, “I’m so sorry to tell you this, but you have lymph node cancer. It has metastasized. You have about two weeks to live. I will give you some medication to help ease the pain. I’m so sorry.” 

The first page mentions the story of the rich young man.  That story, if you are not familiar with it, is where JC says that to follow him one must give up everything, family, worldly goods, etc.   The second has that we are to image we are dying of cancer and some how the first thought should be “What shall I do to inherit eternal life?”   That’s not the first thing on my mind, that would be about my family, not my greed to live forever.   This argument from Ray et all is the “no atheist in foxholes” bit of nonsense.  Alas, for them, there are plenty of atheists in foxholes, and not one Christian who can heal someone like the bible promises.

You go home and lie on your bed. You’re too sick to see anyone or go anywhere. All you can think about is that one question: “What should I do to inherit eternal life?” This isn’t a far-fetched scenario. More than 600,000 Americans will die of cancer in the next twelve months, and over 8.2 million will die of the disease worldwide. Put yourself into that frightening scenario and ask yourself, “What should I do to inherit eternal life?” Do you know the answer? 

Yep, we are all going to die.   Here is where fear is used to try to make people believe in Ray et al’s version of the Christian god.

Each religion claims that they have the “right” answer, and each Christian is sure that their version is the right answer.  They of course don’t agree.   Then we have an argument from popularity to try to convince the reader that the bible has to be right since a lot of people buy it.   Yep, a lot of people do.  My church had many many copies in the pews that were never opened.  We have many moldering away in hotels where they are never opened.   And when Islam becomes the biggest religion, then the Qu’ran will be the biggest selling book, and what *will* Christians do with their failed arguments?

THE CAUSE OF DEPRESSION
According to the world’s best-selling Book, every human being is held in bondage to a haunting fear of death. The Bible says that what Jesus accomplished on the cross was so that . . . [He] might free all those who through [the haunting] fear of death were held in slavery throughout their lives. (Hebrews 2:15, Amplified Bible)

As for what the bible says about the fear of death being the cause of depression, nope.  It’s chemistry.   That’s why chemistry can help control it.  I’m not inclined to believe a book that says that bird blood is a cure for leprosy when it comes to mental health diagnoses.

FEAR’S ANTIDOTE
If you were standing on the edge of a plane 10,000 feet up, thinking about how you are going to jump and hit the ground face-first at 120 mph, you would understandably be terrified. But if I gave you a parachute, the minute you put it on, you will be able to control your fears. If you completely trust that parachute, you will now know that you will land gently at 8 mph, on your feet. Your fear will be in direct proportion to your faith. If you have total faith in the parachute, you will have no fear. Your faith will rid you of fear. 

There’s plenty of reason to trust a parachute, thanks to physics.  Not so much reason to trust a god that does nothing.

Let’s now apply that analogy to faith in Jesus. When He was asked, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” He replied: “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ” (Mark 10:18,19) 

Jesus told him that only God is good; only He is morally perfect. Then He gave the man five of the Ten Commandments. This is because we may think that we are good, but the Ten Commandments show us that we’re not. For example, how many lies have you told in your life? Have you ever stolen something (irrespective of its value)? Have you taken God’s name in vain (including “OMG”)? Jesus said that if we look with lust, we commit adultery in the heart (see Matthew 5:27,28). Have you ever looked with lust? 

Here we go with Christians citing the commandments, in the confusion that there are only ten of them.  Indeed, how many Christians have stolen something, have taken their gods name in vain?  How many have allows people to work on a sabbath without murdering them?  How many have them eaten shrimp and worn poly/cotton shirts?

If you answered “Yes” to these questions, you’ve admitted that you are a lying, thieving, blasphemous adulterer at heart. So if God judged you by the Ten Commandments on Judgment Day (we’ve looked at four of them), would you be innocent or guilty? No doubt you (like the rest of us) will be guilty. If you’re guilty on Judgment Day, will you go to Heaven or Hell? If any of us were judged by the Ten Commandments, we would justly end up in Hell. What then should you do to be saved from death and Hell? 

And here we go with Ray et al insisting that everyone is a horrible person, again to scare people.  And of course these same people support a unrepentant lying, thieving, blasphemous adulterer with no problem as long as they get power.  Such good Trumpies they are.

Fortunately, there is an answer to the question, “What shall I do to inherit eternal life?” Just over 2,000 years ago, God became a perfect, sinless human being in Jesus of Nazareth. The Bible says: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh . . . (1 Timothy 3:16) And the reason He became a human being was to suffer and die on the cross. When Jesus was on the cross He took the punishment for the sin of the world. We broke God’s Law (the Ten Commandments are called “the moral Law”) and Jesus paid the fine. That’s what happened on the cross. That’s why He cried out, “It is finished!” just before He died. In other words, the debt has been paid. 

If you’re in court and someone pays your fine, the judge can legally let you go even though you’re guilty. God can dismiss our case, and legally let us live forever, because Jesus paid our fine on the cross: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death. Today, if you repent and trust in Jesus, God promises to give you eternal life as a free gift. 

Ah, no, that’s not what happened on the cross.  That is a story.  This god decided, after failing multiple times, that it needed a human sacrifice to make itself happy.  What a silly story.

Do you know what “death” is? It’s our wages. The Bible says, “The wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). We earn the sentence of death by our sin. It’s like a judge saying to a mass murderer, “You have earned the death penalty.” Death is evidence that God is serious about sin. In His morally perfect eyes, our sin is deadly serious. Today, right now, please confess and forsake your sins and put your trust in Jesus Christ (like you’d trust a parachute). Do that, and God will not only save you from death, but He will save you from the fear of death. Remember the analogy of how fearful it would be to jump 10,000 feet without a parachute? And how, if you were given a parachute, you could control your fears? Put on the Lord Jesus Christ and trust in Him with all of your heart, and you will rid yourself of that haunting fear that causes depression. 

So, God is “serious”.  Hmmm, God sounds like a mafia don.  God also has a man’s family murdered to show off its power.  Hmmm, maybe it *is* a mafia don?

Millions of human beings suffer from depression because they live without faith in Jesus. They have no hope in their death. But in Christ, you now have a living hope, both in this life and in your death. You need never fear as long as you trust in Jesus. Look at the promises of Scripture: What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.” Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:31–39) 

To grow in your faith, make a habit of reading your Bible daily. Without fail. And make sure that you obey what you read. God will never let you down. Visit Living Waters.com where you will find many helpful resources, as well as our advertising-free YouTube channel (which is seen by millions): YouTube.com/LivingWaters. Condensed from The Final Curtain by Ray Comfort (available at Amazon.com or LivingWaters.com). 

So we end up with the usual lies from Christians that as long as you believe, then this god won’t give you more than you can handle.  We know that is a lie since there are more than a few Christians who commit suicide.  All these claims end up blaming the victim when this god does nothing.    Ray et al claim that they didn’t believe “enough”, they didn’t pray in the “right” way, and as a final lie, that their god wanted it this way.

An imaginary being doesn’t help depression.   Therapy and drugs can, not always but we are always perfecting them.  Don’t be lied to by people who only want your validation for their beliefs, and they don’t care if you die to get them.

 

 

 

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – us atheists haven’t heard a “clear logical defense of Christianity”??

Heinlein was a little too wanting women barefoot and pregnant, but he did get it right about religion.

As my title says us atheists haven’t heard a “clear logical defense of Christianity”.  At least that’s what good ol’ Ray Comfort says.  He wants Christians, and atheists, to come to his failing Ark and listen to what he claims to be this unicorn, since, no, there isn’t any such thing as a “clear logical defense of Christianity”.  Even Christians can’t convince each other that they have the “right” answer and the “right” Christianity.

Now, this supposedly will be a 5 day conference over Easter weekend “This five-day conference also features a Good Friday service with our President, Emeal (“E.Z.”) Zwayne, and a free Easter sunrise service on Sunday morning, which you can attend even if you can’t make the conference!”  and will have the Answers In Genesis people there too.  I wonder, can we have a fight between old earth Christians and young earth ones?  For this being a “five day conference” you get a total of 14 hours of rehashed stuff, maybe seen Ken Ham for two hours (or pay an extra fee as is likely) and the rest is movies and preaching, or expecting you to get your own food since that’s not covered either.

Now this “priceless” bit of nonsense is:  $500 for a family (only families that are approved of AIG, of course, and only one child gets to eat free per adult who buys food at the museum), or $250 for a couple or $199 for a single person.  This is of course not including lodging, and gee, you get tickets to see something you’ve probably seen before, the failed Ark. Of course, there is an upcharge for “certain events” not defined.  Oh and we mustn’t forget the 20% off of the crap in the souvenir shop.

One of the speakers is Jason Lisle, who actually has a PhD in astrophysics, and not so strangely has not published one paper on how that idiocy happened, but plenty on how the sun actually works. So much for that long promised “evidence” for creation that AIG, and other peddlers of lie claim to have “real soon now”.  They also have one other scientist, Georgia Purdom, who sadly has a PhD in molecular genetics, but has chosen to study “She seeks to understand the original, created, “very good” roles of bacteria in the pre-Fall world and genetic mechanisms that have led to their adaptations and pathogenicity in a post-Fall world.”  It appears she is studying evolution, but well, don’t all it that, and well, hers has to be by magic.  It is no surprise at all that neither publish in peer reviewed journals anymore.  They know that their creationist nonsense won’t pass muster, so they hide in creationist magazines.

So, we have Living Waters charging more money for what they’ve said before, and what has failed before.  I’d be happy to give an education on creationist claims to any one who wants it entirely for free.  For you see, Ray won’t be saying anything new; Ray has published the same stuff for decades, and the last time he wanted to educate atheists, he tried to put a certificate for a Subway sub in his book just to get people to take it, wasn’t allowed and failed miserably (he did give the certificates to the homeless after being shamed into it).  They just want your money for their “megaconference”.  I have run conferences.  If you need more than 15 minutes between topics, then you are just padding things to charge more.

Nothing like TrueChristians(tm) cheating each other.

 

 

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – and now for more questionable Christian nonsense

and this is the fellow that some atheists claim is a nice guy
and this is the fellow that some atheists claim is a nice guy

During the run up to the Reason Rally, Ray Comfort was touting his new movie The Atheist Delusion. This was going to be *the* answer to non-Christians, and it was going to be such a surprise. He was also going to give out $25,000 in Subway gift cards to anyone who would take his book.

Well, the reviews are out and thanks to his fellow Christians, we know that yet again Ray has nothing new and charges $19.95 for the pleasure of discovering this. (it’ll be free in a couple weeks on youtube)  The supposed surprise in TAD is the same argument he’s used before, that DNA needs a creator and that creator has to be his version of the Christian god. No evidence for this claim, and a lot of edited interviews that purport to have atheists agreeing with him.

Christians, you have a choice: give Ray more money for a repeat performance in order for him to make more retreads, or perhaps give $20 to an organization that actually does something for someone. Your local food pantry can use that $20, your local animal shelter or human shelter, Oxfam, Doctors without Borders, Smile Train, etc.

Now, what is more beneficial: giving money in an a desperate attempt to shore up ones faith, a faith that supposedly doesn’t need evidence, or giving money to help people who need it?   There are piles of evidence that DNA is less than perfect, which makes the Christian god look a little odd for making something not completely efficient and that won’t cause horrible maladies in the creatures that bear it.  We also have evidence that DNA and therefore genes have evolved, something that many Christians claim isn’t true.  The most recent bit of evidence is the genetic portrait being researched for the last common universal ancestor aka LUCA.  What causes problems for theist claims is that they want to benefit from the same science that shows that their myths are wrong.   The same science that supports the LUCA is the same science that allows them to have modern foodstuffs, modern medicine, GPS, computers, etc.

Update: now two months and still no sign of the charitable donation of the $25K in Subway gift cards that Comfort said he was going to make since he chose not to give them out at the Reason Rally.

Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – a month since the Reason Rally, what happened to those gift cards?

a publicity picture of the gift cards
a publicity picture of the gift cards

It’s been about a month since the Reason Rally in DC, and I was wondering what happened to those supposed 5,000 gift cards Ray Comfort had ready and waiting for the rally goers if they took a copy of his book. It was announced that these cards would be going to charity. Some atheists praised him for doing the right thing. And then things went silent on that front.

Writing to the Living Waters church that Ray runs, I inquired the status of the donation. Someone there kindly replied:

“We greatly appreciate you taking the time to email us. I am a member of Ray Comfort’s ministry team. He has entrusted me to answer some of the emails that come into the ministry.

Thank you for your email and in answer to your question, This is still in planning stages. Hope that helps and if you are not already signed up for our Weekly Updates and would like to be, simply enter your email address at the following link.”

Now, this does seem more than a little curious that it would take more than a month to give already existing cards to a charity like a food bank, etc.   I’ve worked in the non-profit arena, and it would take a box full of gift cards and a receipt to donate them. They would have already been accounted for in the bookkeeping for the organization.

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This is a man who chose not to spend a little money to get a permit to give these cards out at the rally, who made the sad little claim “”You can’t tell me that the organizers of the atheist Reason Rally aren’t praying that it won’t rain on Saturday,” on facebook in order to make believe that everyone prays just like him(so much for his claim on how great he gets along with atheists), and now seems to have a curious delay in giving the cards away. Hmmm, since there was no rain, and it was a lovely day for the rally, it seems that either prayers from atheists work and they don’t work for TrueChristians, or that prayers don’t matter at all.

Should he be doubted in his intentions? Perhaps. It is worth keeping the attention on him and Living Waters to make sure that the claim is fulfilled, since it took that attention to get him to make the claim in the first place. It would be a shame that the surprise that Ray promised here “”They are the ones to whom I’m speaking. Same with Atheist Central. So I always keep in mind the silent 2,000 on the page who are thinking about what they hear. Heaven rejoices over one that comes to repentance. Also, I want even the nasty atheists to stay for a while. I have a surprise for them.” Is that he isn’t donating the cards at all.

I’ve signed up for his weekly update and will have a new blog post when I see the details on the donation.

 

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Not So Polite Dinner Conversation – I get more fan mail or “someone sent me a million dollar bill”

poppyFirst, welcome to you new folks who have chosen to follow my blog.   We have a nice mix of Christians, atheists and agnostics. I’m not aware of any other types of theists. If you do use my blog as fodder for your own, please let me know.   Please feel free to comment or ask questions, I have very liberal posting rules here: basically, don’t be pointlessly abusive. That being said, don’t expect to use the commenting area as a soapbox. You will be held accountable for what you said and be challenged if what you claim is questionable.

Now onward…

Sent another letter to the editor lately and it got published. It was a smaller version of my blog post about the ever idiotic Cal Thomas. In the comments were the usual Christian Nationalists, the claims that the bible never says anything about slavery, etc. You know, the usual suspects and as usual, they ran away as soon as they figured out no one was buying their lies. It was entirely pleasant to see how many people joined the discussion and who had no problem in presenting evidence against the TrueChristians.

When I get LOEs published, I almost always get at least one piece of fan mail. This one was the usual cowardly person who managed to use the phone book and was unable to take responsibility for their action. The fan mail they sent me wasn’t a letter, alas, but it was this amusing little tract that they must have got from their purchase of Ray Comfort’s dvd “180”, his rather pathetic anti-abortion propaganda that seems to have been anything but a success. I guess that’s what happens when you lie egregiously. Ray is known to lie and lie again (repeatedly about Einstein’s beliefs among others). I guess it doesn’t count when he does it as long as it’s for his god? Even the bible says no to that little excuse (Romans 3).

The tract is in the form of a million dollar bill. I find it quite funny that “filthy lucre” is used to do, well what exactly? To lie to people? Perhaps raise hopes just for an instant to just dash them when someone sees it’s just one more TrueChristian threat? I’m guessing the worse TrueChristian twits leave these for “tips” rather than really tipping service workers. There was an instance of this tract being taken by the Treasury Department because some person tried to pass it off as legal currency. That indeed would take either a certain amount of ignorance, stupidity and/or malice.

The tract reads as follows: The million-dollar question: Will you go to Heaven when you die? Here’s a quick test. Have you ever told a lie, stolen anything or used God’s name in vain? Jesus said “Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Have you looked with lust? Will you be guilty on Judgment Day? If you have done those things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heard. The Bible warns that, if you are guilty, you will end up in Hell. That’s not God’s will. He sent his Son to suffer and die on the cross for you. You broke God’s law, but Jesus paid your fine. That means He can legally dismiss your case. He can commute your death sentence: “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Then Jesus rose from the dead and defeated death. Please repent (turn from sin) today and trust in Jesus alone, and God will grant you the gift of everlasting life. Then read your Bible daily and obey it.”

Cherry-Picked-BibleSo, we have the usual threats of violence from Ray on how his god will kill us if we don’t obey it just like Ray says to. Ray is a big believer in following the commandments of his god, at least the first ten. Too bad for Ray, they go on far longer than those first ten, and there is nothing that says that the following hundreds are any less important than the first few.   And Ray certainly doesn’t obey those without exception, just like every other Christian; he doesn’t even follow the first ten with his lies about others. So, if this god exists, it must look at Ray as a blasphemer, who will not kill the people who need killing per this god, who dares to wear poly-cotton shirts against god’s will, who does not follow every single one of the laws in Exodus and Leviticus since the bible has JC saying that all of his father’s laws are to be follows until the earth ceases to exist.   And thus, Ray “Banana man” Comfort will be in hell, just like he says, if this nonsense is true.

He of course never says he’ll be in hell. Oh no, it’s everyone else who doesn’t follow what Ray says his god really wants. We also have the usual disagreement by Christians on whether predestination is a valid idea or not. Is it God’s will that no one goes to hell? Or is it? Can we choose? Can’t we? Well, Christians can’t agree. They also can offer the most amusing excuses: “God predestines who will be saved, and we must choose Christ in order to be saved. Both facts are equally true. “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!”   aka we know this is nonsense and therefore, it’s ever-so mysterious.

Ray’s claims of legality are rather curious. He seems to miss the point that this god is supposedly what determined what was a sin and then determined what it took to get out of it e.g. we have judge, jury and executioner. I am gratified that Ray has decided to admit that this god was what demanded the suffering and death of a being as a sacrifice to itself. But he does miss the point that sacrifice is substitution, a permanent event. To give one’s son only to get him back in a day or two isn’t much of a sacrifice. Indeed, it is no sacrifice at all for an omnipotent, omniscient being and is nothing but a shell game.

Finally, we are told to turn from sin, accept JC, and then read the bible and obey every bit of it.

Or we’ll go to hell.

For doing something, but Ray et al aren’t quite sure what.

Have fun with your sadistic fantasies, Ray. I suppose that’s all you have left when you don’t have any facts. You don’t even have your banana anymore.