Ray Comfort thinks he’s being clever again. He has an attempt to claim his god isn’t a “cruel tyrant”.
My father used to hit me. He would daily leave my mother to raise us kids, and I once saw him kill a helpless animal with his bare hands. With that information you could understandably come to the conclusion that my father was a tyrant.
And of course, there is indeed information missing to explain what Ray is trying to claim.
But listen to some missing information. If I ever lied or stole, my dad cared enough to correct me on the seat of my learning, and for that I greatly respected him and stayed on the straight and narrow. The reason he left my mom each day was to work hard as a carpenter and provide food for our table. And that animal he killed…it was a large bird that had been struck by a car and had been left to die on the side of the road. He put the poor animal out of its misery, and it grieved him to do so.
One has to wonder how many times Ray lied or stole from someone, being a raised as a Christian and all. Must have been often and he still does it. A pity his father isn’t still around. One also has to wonder exactly how Ray’s dad killed an injured bird with his “bare hands”. My father had to kill a hawk that I found; it had been shot and left to die, filled with maggots. He shot it and it died quickly and cleanly.
With that knowledge you can now see that my dad wasn’t a tyrant. He was a loving and kind father.
Yep, we can see that this human wasn’t a tyrant, if somewhat questionable.
Richard Dawkins believes that God is more than just a tyrant. He said:
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
But there’s some missing information he’s not giving you that changes everything…for those who will listen.
Dawkins is right, this god is all that he mentions and more (I can give verses if you’d like). We have a god that either intentionally allows the “serpent” in the garden or was too stupid to keep it out. Then this god punishes humans for listening to and believing the second most powerful being in the universe, if we are to believe the bible. We continue on with this god wandering off and when it comes back, it is upset no one is worshipping it anymore, deeming that to be “evil” and then killing everyone on earth (minus 8 including a drunkard), including children, plus animals and plants that had nothing to do with this.
We then head to Exodus, where this god forgets that its people are suffering, and when it does remember, proceeds to mind control people so it can show off. This showing off kills many. Farther along, we have this god killing a child for its parents actions, being afraid of a tall building, and repeatedly screwing up in choosing kings for its supposed “chosen” people.
Then, finally, this god, having repeatedly trying and failing to get its people to do what it wants, decides it needs a blood sacrifice of itself to apologize for it allowing the serpent in.
This is what Ray claims:
This same morally perfect and holy Creator (whose seeming harsh judgments were always “righteous and true altogether”) became a morally perfect human being. He did this to save us from the same just wrath that spilled upon the wicked nations of the Old Testament. Most of us know that Jesus of Nazareth gave His life as a sacrifice for the sin of the world. What they don’t know is that we violated God’s Law (the Ten Commandments) and justly deserve the wrath of the moral Law, but Jesus paid our fine in full. That means that God can legally dismiss our case. He can commute our death sentence and let us live forever, because our fine was paid by Another who then rose from the dead.
“Morally perfect”? Where? Only if one assumes that anything that this god does is “morally perfect” just because it is this god e.g. a morality based on might equals right. And wrath on the nations in the ancient Middle East? Where? No one noticed.
The verse that Ray is quoting from is this, Psalm 19: The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul; the decrees of the Lord are sure, making wise the simple; the precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the Lord is clear, enlightening the eyes; 9 the fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever; the ordinances of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.”
Now we have a problem here for Christians since none of them follow these commandments and laws of this god. Not even every Jew follows them these “perfect laws” or even tries. We also have this psalm that as a great example of the ignorance of bible characters about the universe, assuming that the sun has a tent that this god puts it in. This is also supposedly David singing, to a creature that killed his child. It takes a lot of fear and stupidity to laud a child-murderer (of course many Christians will say it’s not “murder” since this god has the right to do whatever it wants with humans).
You know, like a tyrant.
No, “most of us” don’t know or believe that this magical man gave his life for anything. We have a story, that has this magical man really not wanting to do this, and being forced by this god to be a human sacrifice for something it caused to happen. (the gospel of John of course contradicts this). And Ray, sorry to tell you but there are quite a few more commandments from your supposed god than just 10. Ray also argues that we don’t need those commandments in public buildings since “Jesus paid our fine in full.”
One has to wonder what legality that this god is beholden to, if it can “legally dismiss our case”. That would be something beyond this god.
The same holy God who considers lust to be adultery and hatred to be murder, made provision for His great love and mercy to be extended towards those who repent and trust in the Savior. For the Christian, the cross of Jesus Christ shows that God isn’t the wicked tyrant that foolish and ignorant men make Him out to be. It is the missing information that changes everything.
So, if this god considers even a thought as bad as the act, one has to wonder why this god constantly allows these people to commit their acts, rather than smiting them like he supposedly used to do. He could stop raping priests and pastors, because he let them have their free will in their minds. But this god does nothing at all, not even what a parent would do to correct a child. There is no “love and mercy” toward those who this god intentionally allows harm to come to. Such an incompetent tyrant Ray has as a god.
I’m quite pleased to provide that missing information that Ray chose not to present.
12 thoughts on “Not So Polite Dinner Conversation: Ray Comfort thinks he’s being clever again “Is God a Cruel Tyrant?””
The mental gymnastics these people have to put them through is astonishing. Ray makes money from it, so it’s not *that* hard to understand. The average apologist, though…?
Hello clubschadenfreude. It confuses me how these people can claim their god is the moral authority when we today have better morals than their god does. As for Ray Comfort’s arguments, I feel if the morals, understanding of reality, and human interaction of today are superior to what your god is claimed to have told people to write down over 2000 years ago, then it really was not a god at all.
Hey clubschadenfreude, something I learned today I did not know. The old testament has verses that show there other gods than Yahweh, that he ranted about them, demanded his people follow him above all those other gods, and that it was common for there to be many gods in that area at that time. I wonder how many people like me did not know that? Hugs
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Hi Scottie. You can call me Vel.
Many of these Chrsitains think it is perfectly moral to be the vicious asshole their god is. They just don’t since they’d be thrown in our nicely secular jails.
Probably more than a few people, especially Christians, aren’t aware that their god was just one of many. 🙂
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At this point, ray and those like him know that what they are saying is dishonest and just plain silly. The problem is more that christians who dont necessarily employ the tissue between their ears enough to sniff out the bovine excrement in what the apologists are putting out just swallow the stuff whole.
yep, people like Ray just prey on the ignorant
Quacks like a duck, walks like a duck must be a duck. Ray Comfort can try hard to make his god look good, but it is an impossible venture. It’s not possible.
Greetings Vel (may I call you Vel? I guess I just did, so that’s a redundant question, but I’m good at those). I whole-heartedly agree with your post and points raised. If we are to take the Bible literally, and indeed other religious documents at their word, God has permitted, either through action or inaction, terrible acts to befall the world, over and over again. The most comment retort to this? That God works in mysterious ways, has different standards of morality and cannot be held to human standards, and that we should expect challenge in this life.
Yet allowing billions of people throughout history to suffer in all kinds of dreadful ways, when we are led to believe God is just and loving, seems rather contradictory to me. I am reminded of Lex Luthor’s quote in Batman vs Superman (and I apologise for referencing that film). ‘If God is all-powerful, he cannot be all-good. If he’s all-good, he cannot be all-powerful’.
Sure Darth Timon (tell me how to call you). I love your screen name 🙂 Hah, I wish DC could get better films. I’m a Marvel gal myself, starting in the 70s.
when I was a christian (presbyterian sect), and then read the bible, I was left going, what the heck was I worshipping? And that “mysterious ways” nonsense just makes me want to punch the claimant.
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We are Marvel allies then! And when I’m not being an evil meerkat bent on world domination, I’m Ben 🙂 But you can call me Darth, Ben, Timon, I answer to anything, as my wife will tell you!
Yeah, mysterious ways is… wishy washy. It’s an excuse, not an argument.
So, what got you started into Marvel and which characters are your favorites? My first comic was one with Spider-man, Nightcrawler and Punisher with Jigsaw as the villain. Some one got it for my brother and I scooped it up.
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I think for me, my Marvel fandom is a result of the incredible work of the MCU, which is a dedication and labour of love virtually unmatched in the film industry. Though that being said, I have fond memories of the 90s X-Men cartoon, which was different for its time.
As for characters… Rocket Racoon is closest to a meerkat, though more importantly hes just very funny! Deadpool is unique (and if he comes over to the MCU, Ryan Reynolds needs to be retained), but Thanos, at least his film guise, is the most fascinating character. He’s dangerous not because he’s pure evil, but because he thinks he’s the good guy. He’s on a Holy mission, and for the good fo of the universe, cannot fail.
The movies are great. If I told my younger self that they would be as good as they are, she would never believe me. 🙂
When I first heard that Marvel was going to do a Guardians movie, I was “what they hell are they going to do with Rocket?” But they did him so well, funny has hell, with the BFG and still sympathetic. In the Capt. Marvel comic, he was hilarious with how they brought the flerkins in.
Thanos is a great villain. I do wish they would have kept his love of the entity Death in the movies, but I can see how that would take just too much explaining.